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surgery: the tale of a DIY EBB conversion(7 posts)

surgery: the tale of a DIY EBB conversionChequama Mama
Sep 12, 2002 8:58 PM











































Karl and I gathered on Tuesday night to perform surgery.
 Our unsuspecting victim: A Gary Fisher Marlin frame acquired in a trade
with our own loonyone.

Here's a "before" picture



bike


When I got to Karls, we made a very crude jig, not
even as nice as the method reccomended by crazymike.  Then we proceded
to hacksaw the shell out of the way of the holesaw.  Here's me doing
exactly that.

cuttin


After we got the frame hacksawed, it looked like this
(sorry about the lame pictures, I got this digital camera the same day and
I'm still learning how exactly it works, especially macro mode).

hacksawed




Then we got everything set in the drillpress and cut
away.

in the press


After cutting it looked a little somethin' like this

cut up


And here we are ready to braze

ready to light the fire


Here's a couple of  shots part way through the
brazing

done part way




another on


Here's Karl with the frame

karl with frame


And then I spent hours filing away excess brazing
material and it started to look like this.  

clean




I'm leaving for Italy and running out of time, so final cleanup on the rest
of the brazing will happen when I get back.

And here it is built back up again

done


The results.

Overall the frame works fine and I love the bottom bracket.  It's very
sweet how it works.  The chain tension couldn't be easier.  Very
cool.  When we checked the alignment of the frame overall, the rear
dropouts were out of alignment by less than 5mm, who knows where they were
before.  The frame passes the "riding no hands standing up" test, so
we didn't mess anything up royally.  The alignment of the BB is off
somewhat, but I don't notice it riding.



What would we change if we did it again?

First off, a better jig.  This would solve the alignment of the BB issue
and speed the process up somewhat  We have a bunch of ideas about how
to do that.

Second, cutting the BB out with the hacksaw was somewhat problematic.  For
the most part it was ok, but the chainstays didn't cut well at all with the
holesaw and we ended up just shaping them with the grinder.  Before
we gave up with the holesaw we took a nice chunk out of one of them, which
we had to patch during brazing.  We would also look for a finer toothed
holesaw, if they're available.  We think that would probably help with
the chainstays.  

Karl admits that he's not a master brazer, so that would probably go smoother
next time

The price that Wade (Vulture) charges is very sweet given the level of precision
he brings to the operation (not that this was ever in question).



Would I do it again?  Yes, but never to the 'Cuda which is my favorite
bike.  I would do it to another townie, or second frame that's just
sitting around, not something that you love dearly or has any sentimental
value. (Wade, you may be getting a call from me next spring about the 'Cuda)

If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me @either the address on
my name or chequama_mama@hotmail.com.  As I mentioned I'm leaving for
Italy (as of Saturday I won't have a computer), and won't have any email
for about a week, so I might not get back to you real promptly, but I will
eventually.  Oh and if anyone here who knows more about this than I
do (and there are probably lots of you) thinks I said something flat out
wrong say so, I don't want to tell people totally incorrect stuff.  I
definitely won't be offended, I"m just learning, but its cool stuff. (anyone
need an intern/apprentice next summer?)

Paul







re: surgery: the tale of a DIY EBB conversionChequama Mama
Sep 12, 2002 9:00 PM
how do you get rid of that annoying space above the html? thanks

Paul
re: surgery: the tale of a DIY EBB conversioncrazy mike
Sep 12, 2002 9:32 PM
Hey, nice job Paul! That's the beauty of brazing, you can fill in any mistakes. I'm sure you've experienced the steepest part of the learning curve. Should you decide to do this again it will go even smoother and more accurately. If building a better jig seems like too much trouble, Wade DOES perform a great conversion at a great price. Once again, congratulations and welcome to the EBB SS world!
crazymike
Sweet!martini
Sep 13, 2002 5:45 AM
Looks damn near professional(well, maybe =]), and much better than I could have done it. That fact that it still rides fine speaks volumes about how well you guys did. Do I hear runblings of a conversion business starting up? =]

marty
Oh MY GAAWD!!!!!!!!funkpunk
Sep 13, 2002 6:33 AM
There ought to be a law.... You've got some serious stress riders there, pal. Any bets on how long it lasts?
Oh MY GAAWD!!!!!!!!crazy mike
Sep 13, 2002 6:57 AM
Do you mean stress rizers? And where do you actualy see stress rizers?
crazymike
Nice jobTim T
Sep 13, 2002 7:25 AM
Pat on the back to ya. Try MSC for the tools your looking for www.mscdirect.com. You'll have to set up an account but well worth it they will have all the metal working tools you'll ever need.

Tim T
www.PHKbicycles.com
 


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