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Lubing your chain (yes, this is a mtb post) (72 posts)
|  Lubing your chain (yes, this is a mtb post) | DeRanger
Oct 25, 2001 7:36 AM | | Awhile back I switched from Pedro's Extra Dry to White Lightning. The Pedro's seemed to attract, rather than repel, dirt - my chain would look like a breaded fishstick at the end of a ride. The White Lightning is better, but I'm still looking for the "perfect lube."
So, do you change lube with the seasons? Or the trail conditions? What are your preferences?
DeR (hoping this stays on-topic - pretty confident that it won't...) |
| I like the WL "Extreme" stuff..... | celly
Oct 25, 2001 7:40 AM | | Seems to last longer than regular WL and doesn't attract too much dirt. I use Pedro's Syn in the wet season. Lasts forever, but is a bit of a dirt magnet. Wipe thoroughly after applying.
WL regular on pivots only. |
| this works perfectly for me............ | Crazy Dave
Oct 25, 2001 7:42 AM | | I didn't like the thin consistency of Wht Lightning, and Pedro's Ice Wax was too thick. So, on a recommendation from Bikebreath, I mixed the two to the consistency I like(more WL than Pedro's). Now the lube ends up on my chain (instead of a lot on the ground too), and still repels dirt. Might want to try it-works for me (& Bikebreath). |
| no more sprocket marks.. | easyRider
Oct 25, 2001 7:46 AM | | on my legs since I started using white lightning, also shedds mud great as well and thats very important here in Pa. Good stuff so far. |
| Pedro's SynLube ATB | Jive
Oct 25, 2001 7:47 AM | | Founmd an old bottle of the stuff in my parts box, and started using that instead of the wax lubes (plus, the WL and Pedro's Ice bottles always seem to be clogged at the opening). I found that the wax lubes seemed to attract more dirt than the regular lubes. |
| Finish Line Red Cap..... | fred³
Oct 25, 2001 7:47 AM | | is what I use. I actually put a single drop on each of the 108 links individually to keep it mostly where it belongs. I then wait about 15 minutes and wipe the excess off. Works great for me.
fred3 |
| Ditto....nm | TNJED®
Oct 25, 2001 8:32 AM | | nm |
| Ditto....nm | screenwriter
Oct 25, 2001 9:31 AM | | nm |
| White lightning, the blue flavor (it's better because it's blue. | Pete.
Oct 25, 2001 8:52 AM | | Put nozzle against chain, in the cassette area.
Spin cranks backwards spastically while squeezing the living shit out of the bottle.
Spray lube all over the chain. Soak the bastard.
Go ride, while some folks are still putting a drop on each link and waiting to wipe their chain off.
Pete |
| That didn't take long.... | fred³
Oct 25, 2001 10:41 AM | | If a jobs worth doing, then it's worth doing well.
fred3 |
| Mayberry's finest. I knew I wouldn't be disappointed. | Pete.
Oct 25, 2001 11:02 AM | | If your method makes you feel better, then go for it. Even in cycling, apparently there's a benefit to the placebo effect.
Are you implying that my more practical, albeit less anal, method doesn't lube the chain properly?
Think carefully before replying.
Thanks.
Pete |
| I've seen and heard about that stuff for so long..... | TNJED®
Oct 25, 2001 11:11 AM | | but for some reason or another never tried it...You Petey, may just be my final reason to give it a shot/squirt. |
| Depends on weather and trail conditions... | Red Ascent
Oct 25, 2001 7:48 AM | | In dry, dusty conditions, you're right, Pedro's Extra Dry will attract alot of crap. White Lightning, being a paraffin-based product, is much better in those conditions, although I personally prefer Boeshield T-9, another paraffin-based lube. Extra-Dry works well in wet/mixed conditions though, and I especially like it on my road bike. If you have alot of mud or stream crossings in your riding, paraffin based lubes will wash off pretty quickly and leave you with a rusty drivetrain (I speak from experience here). In really cold conditions, I prefer a synthetic wet lube - Pedro's Syn Lube is my favorite, it stays fluid even in extreme cold (i.e., below 0° F). Wet lubes are really bad in dry and dusty conditions though - you'd think you were running superglue on your chain.
Phil (trying to stay on subject here...) |
| Dumond or FinishLine, wet or dry..... | Monte
Oct 25, 2001 7:51 AM | | depending on wet or dry trail, and how long the ride is. I don't mind using the wet stuff and getting a dirty chain, I figure it's on the outside (most of it anyway). As long as the chain stays lubed and quiet I'm okay with that. I'll be using the wet stuff till spring now.
Tried the wax stuff, didn't like it. Give me oil.
Monte |
| Dumond or FinishLine, wet or dry..... | Tough Stuff!
Oct 25, 2001 12:46 PM | | Exactly!!!!!!!!
D |
| If it's good enough for an airplane... | wm
Oct 25, 2001 7:55 AM | | ...Boeshield T-9. Doesn't attract anything unless you ride right after you apply it.
wm |
| I found that out the hard way..... | celly
Oct 25, 2001 8:00 AM | | DR1 gave me a bottle of the stuff at Waterdown. I couldn't find the stuff in these parts so I traded him a 6 of local brew for a bottle. I didn't read the part about it needing to dry before use. I applied it liberally in Moab/Fruita a month or so later, and had massive sludge build up on my rear der and pullies, that I never touched the stuff again.
Chris told me something about needing to read the directions. DOH! |
| possibly the very worst place to find that out. | wm
Oct 25, 2001 8:07 AM | | ...except perhaps a beach on a windy day.
Give it another shot per the directions. For Chris' sake, at least, eh?
wm |
| Good idea...... | celly
Oct 25, 2001 8:15 AM | | Maybe I'm just holding onto the bottle in his memory. ;-) |
| Boeshield T-9 (WANTED) | Doc
Oct 25, 2001 8:20 AM | | Any body got a bottle to spare? I've got $$ burning a hole in my paypal account. |
| In all honesty.... | celly
Oct 25, 2001 8:22 AM | | There's probably a few drops left in that bottle. I didn't realize it was so hard to come by. Maybe I'll list it on ebay.
"Boeshield T-9, once owned by DaleRider1-Waterdown 1998 edition, very rare"
Opening bids, anyone? |
| let dry 5-7 days??? | dante
Oct 25, 2001 8:59 AM | | wow, that must be good stuff....
Dante |
| I don't use credit cards anymore. | Doc
Oct 25, 2001 9:42 AM | | I'm starting a new "thing" If I can't pay cash, I can't buy it. This odviously falls apart when dealing with cars, houses, etc...
So, it turns out my LBS carries it. More simple yet. |
| Um, debit card? | wm
Oct 25, 2001 9:44 AM | | Work just like MC/Visa, but draws from your chking account balance. Work beautiously. No credit cards here either.
wm |
| had one... | Doc
Oct 25, 2001 9:55 AM | | Then I switched banks. I refused to pay the $15 a year service charge. I'm still looking for a good new bank in my area. |
| You have to pay $15 to use a debit card? | JRinCA
Oct 25, 2001 10:17 AM | | Cheaper for the Fin. institution to use debit cards than checks. I use mine all the time, no fees, except for some gas stations. The minimum purchase is really a sham used by the retailers to get their under average transaction charges back. You should find a bank that does not charge for debit card usage. I could recommend one but with the likes of those on this board I won't. |
| Yep, that's why I refused it! (NM) | Doc
Oct 25, 2001 10:55 AM | | . |
| That is correct (the stuff rocks!), it also... | hedgehog
Oct 25, 2001 8:05 AM | | is expensive and smells like spray paint when its applied. Which reminds me I need to save my pennies so I can go get some more of that stuff.
White Lightning or Krytec (sp?) are my second favorites but they don't come close to T-9. Although, all three work better if you can apply them a few hours before you ride. |
| dual lube | TKO
Oct 25, 2001 8:05 AM | | Remove and clean chain, apply Prolink, let soak in overnight, wipe off, apply White Lightning over. Reapply WL as required for up to a month or so, then repeat process.
So far my chain has lasted two years w/no measurable wear, no dirt, and no noise. Life on Southern Calif. fireroads is pretty EZ on a chain, so I can't speak how this would work for extreme conditions.
WL w/o Prolink was kind of noisy, so the Prolink is doing something. Prolink by itself was too dirty, and the chain made a "gritty" sound. |
| Prolink alone | mtncranker
Oct 25, 2001 8:58 AM | | Also in SoCal, I find Prolink by itself to work just fine. I've only found it to be gritty immediately after application, which I've assumed meant it was flushing out the "hidden" grit. I've found that if I brush the dust off the chain before lubing, I don't get any gritty feel after the application.
Clean chain, minimal buildup on sprockets, cassette, chainrings...way less than WL.
A friend gave me some Boeing to try, but it takes so long to use up the Prolink, I'm still waiting to try it. |
| I use finish line.... | mugg
Oct 25, 2001 8:17 AM | | Works well in all types of riding condition plus it's inexpensive. I gave up on pedro's lube awhile back after my chain got tooo gunked up after each ride. |
| Finish Line + WD-40..(nm) | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 8:19 AM | | |
| Amazing, yet understandable. (nm) | Pete.
Oct 25, 2001 8:53 AM | | . |
| I'd heard........ | Jive
Oct 25, 2001 9:01 AM | | ...applying kerosene to the chain and burning the excess off with a blowtorch is equally as effective. |
| LOL! nmfgdm | wm
Oct 25, 2001 9:42 AM | | |
| Sheesh! | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 9:50 AM | | Mocking lube choices..How immature can you get?
The combo works pretty well, actually. Soak the chain in WD-40, then coat it heavily with Finish Line. Did it this Aug. and my chain hasn't squeaked since. It works for me.
S.J |
| I'm stung | Jive
Oct 25, 2001 10:00 AM | | You know you're in trouble when Mr. Multiple Personalities (I use that term loosely, BTW) calls you "immature".
WD-40 is a degreaser, so mixing it with a lube kind of defeats the purpose of using lube. Using it to clean the chain initially is another matter, but that's not what the original question asked.
You're a bitter little hag, aren't you? Is Columbia Green that bad a place? |
| No.. | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 11:26 AM | | ..just plain fu%king sick of hearing lies spread about me by anonymous cowards (no offense--not directly referring to you). If you wouldn't do it in person, why do it here?
S.J |
| I'd do it in person...... | celly
Oct 25, 2001 11:40 AM | | I've met a LOT of folks from this site and they know I don't pull any punches in person or on the web. I ain't met Jive yet, but from what I understand, he'd call a spade a spade as well.
You my little sniveller, are a spade. |
| Done in person or not... | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 11:47 AM | | You are STILL wrong. Keep spreading the lies around anyway. I know you've got nothing better to do, being a complete asshole and all.
S.J (sincere to a fault) |
| Look, pussy..... | celly
Oct 25, 2001 12:02 PM | | I'm not spreading any lies. I didn't even know who CB was and that MANY folks have accused you of your little game. I'm purely basing my conclusions on what others have already said about you. I've "known" a lot of those folks for years, and their word means a lot more to me that your endless whining.
Think about it. The operative word is THINK. Your little pea-brain seems to have a problem with that concept. |
| False Accusations=False Conclusions=LIES | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 12:08 PM | | ....which is why I'm on your case. History or no history, what I'm saying is the truth and unfortunately you (and a bunch of others) prefer to believe the opposite. THINK about it..would I not have a reason to be pissed with you people?!
S.J |
| Well, if you're pissed at all "you people"....... | celly
Oct 25, 2001 12:17 PM | | Why did you single me out last night? Answer the question instead of dancing and flailing about. I had never said a word before about your very apparent connection with CB (wasn't apparent to me then, clearly apparent now). But you seemed to feel I needed be to singled out.
You're a weak, spineless little wanker. You keep digging and digging yourself deeper each time and you're just too blind to see it. Once again, wipe the tears from your eyes and you might be able to see how pathetic you come across.
celly (now one of "these people") |
| I didn't single you out last night... | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 12:25 PM | | I slammed both YOU and S.S. Now, for your hand in further spreading lies about me, you have made yourself my target. The only connection I EVER had with C.B was the use of C.G's computer lab. If that's all you got, I'd say my situation falls under the category of at least reasonable doubt, but you would rather place blame on me.
I'm sick of you (and everybody else) jumping to yet another false conclusion. If you asked me I'd say you're the one who's failing to see the obvious.
S.J |
| VROOOOOOOM | celly
Oct 25, 2001 12:31 PM | | The point goes over your head, yet again:
I'm going to quote you verbatim, now:
"I slammed both YOU and S.S. "
Why did you slam me last night? Answer the question. It's not true or false. It's not multiple choice. It's a short answer, essay type response. They have taught you what that means in college, right?
ready
set
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| Okay... | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 12:42 PM | | Very well. A multiple choice question of my own:
Why is Celly getting bashed on by S.J?
A) For spreading lies
B) For having nothing relevant to say but insults
C) For being a jerk from the get-go
D) All of the above
You guessed it....D. DING DING DING!!! Followed by my short essay answer:
You reap what you sow.
Look at most of my posts of late. I see your name under most of them, with usually something derogatory attached to it. I don't take this very well and it doesn't take a freaking genius to say why.
Written word, typed word...should it make a difference??
S.J |
| TIME OUT! | DeRanger
Oct 25, 2001 12:48 PM | | Geez, no more play dates for the two of you!
DeR |
| With all due respect...... | celly
Oct 25, 2001 1:04 PM | | I'm looking for a simple answer. I didn't even post on Passion yesterday. I'd dealt with this guy once before and know little of him. Last night I read a post, with my name in the subject header accusing me of something and he wonders WHY I'm on his case?
Sorry, man. You're out of line.
I don't like this crap any more than anyone, but until he answers the question, I'm on him. You don't have to read it if you don't like it.
Respectfully..... |
| Wasn't looking to tread on any toes... | DeRanger
Oct 25, 2001 1:18 PM | | ...just trying to give you both a chance to come up for air with a little (very little, as it turned out...) humor.
No offense given or taken. I'll step back out of the ring now...
DeR |
| No offense taken here either.. (nm) | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 1:33 PM | | |
| Answer the QUESTION. | celly
Oct 25, 2001 12:57 PM | | Why did you single me out, LAST NIGHT? (there-reworded it for you).
Reap, sow? Funny I was just thinking the same thing. |
| I DID Answer the damn QUESTION!!!! | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 1:04 PM | | But you're refusing to listen...
When I meant "posts of late," I also meant BEFORE today. Look back a few days and you'll get it.
S.J |
| Refresh my memory..... | celly
Oct 25, 2001 1:07 PM | | I called you to task last week. Your little poll drew the ire of more than one person. Why was I singled out? Where are these other replies you speak of? Please enlighten me. |
| Your VERY selective memory...(nm) | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 1:12 PM | | |
| Now you're being selective...... | celly
Oct 25, 2001 1:15 PM | | Please scour the archives since your poll last week. I want to see if you can come up with any replies whereby I've been on your case. I await your response. (I know I'll be waiting a while). |
| How 'bout this one? | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 1:27 PM | | http.forums13.consumerreview.com/cforum?14@204.WjQaa4Drdh211@.ee8d751/18
And ask yourself: Did you really need to say anything?
S.J |
| Sorry, it's a dead link.... | celly
Oct 25, 2001 1:57 PM | | Try again. |
| Sorry | S+J
Oct 25, 2001 2:01 PM | | I tried to make it a link, it wouldn't work.
S.J |
| Sorry | celly
Oct 25, 2001 2:05 PM | | http://forums13.consumerreview.com/crforum?14@@.ee8d751/18
Copy and paste.
It was the only reply I could find since last Friday. If that's what got your panties in a bunch, you upset easily. Wait, I already know you upset easily. |
| I had promissed my selv not to enter those pointless wars but... | Keiko
Oct 25, 2001 2:36 PM | | .. ou lubed your chain in August and it is not squeaking yet?
Do you actually ride a bike? |
| Finishline Krytech (more) | Steve-O
Oct 25, 2001 8:51 AM | | It seems this stuff is a little hard to find but it is a paraffin based lube which also is impregnated with teflon (Sounds like BikeBreath's mix of Ice Wax and WL).
I'm currently using WL for the daily commute and it doesn't last as long as the Krytech does... I've also tried Ice Wax (Too thick), Tri Flow (too thin), and Phils Tenacious (Too messy).
Krytech works the best for me in dry to moderately wet conditions. Maintaining the chain on a weekly basis is also key. |
| Prolink | JimN
Oct 25, 2001 9:29 AM | | With SoCal's year-round dusty conditions, you really need something that doesn't attract dirt. I recently switched from Pedros Ice Wax to Pro Gold Prolink.
I was happy with Ice Wax for a long time, but the last couple of bottles I've bought seemed different. I'd be lucky to get in ten miles before reapplication was necessary.
The Prolink is working very well. My drivetrain runs much quieter, and the stuff lasts through a long dusty ride. It attracts a little more dirt than the Ice Wax, but nowhere near as much as Pedros Extra Dry. Also, it doesn't gunk up your cogs and chainrings. I apply it one link at a time, run the chain, wipe off the excess, and let it dry overnight. I haven't yet used Prolink in wet conditions, so I don't know how well it holds up. You can buy it at Performance. |
| ditto | Howard Roark
Oct 25, 2001 12:08 PM | | Prolink is good stuff. beats the heck outta those lithium based jobbies. |
| i like pedros in winter | moschika
Oct 25, 2001 9:37 AM | | and tried and true tri-flow.
The one lube i do not like is T-9. Granted i don't usually spray it on the chain so far in advance as others. it really gunks up a lot. i really only use when i have no other at the trailhead. |
| luby-loo | gonzostrike
Oct 25, 2001 10:03 AM | | White Lightning June-Oct, Finish Line Oct-June
When making the October switch, I do a WD-40 solvent run on the chain, let it sit, run it through an old cotton cloth, then let it dry overnight (30% humidity air does it every time). Next day, apply FL, cycle chain for about 2 mins, let sit about 10 mins, wipe excess.
White Lightning distinctly is NOT a dirt magnet -- but you MUST apply it according to the directions. The relatively drier WL-lubed chain is a wee bit noisier than the FL-lubed chain, but both work well and are smooth-shifting. |
| Boeshield T9 has been working for me........ | cush
Oct 25, 2001 10:11 AM | | mtb and road this season. Must say, it has been so dry this year that I can't vouch for wet performance. Last season, I had pretty good luck with Finish Line Cross Country spray and drip lube for the wet rides. |
| I agree with Jim | East Coast Roast
Oct 25, 2001 12:16 PM | | I switched from White lightning to Prolink and couldn't be happier. I had and old bottle of White Lightning and it worked great so I bought a new bottle and it sucked. Since I got the Prolink the chainrings stay much cleaner and things stay smooth for weeks without major cleaning. |
| I agree with Jim | crocadile
Oct 25, 2001 12:41 PM | | Here in the Tx. Panhandle mud is rarely a problem but the dust is something else. It has been seriously dry here for a long time and in places the trails have dust that is like talcum powder. White Lightning works well but seems I have to apply it before each ride. Bought some stuff in Moab this summer called ATB Lubricant that is sort of like T9. Has some kind of high tech lube in a solvent vehicle so that you have to apply it and you are supposed to wait 8 hrs until the carrier evaporates off. It works well but I can only get couple of rides out of it then the chain starts to get noisey. The wait for it and Boeshield is a drag. So far WL seems to be the least hassle of the bunch. |
| Thanks for all the... | DeRanger
Oct 25, 2001 12:44 PM | | ...input. Everytime I ask this question of mountain bikers, I'm amazed at the lack of consensus. Talk about an opportunity for an up-and-coming chemist to make a mint.
Right now my chain care routine is to first brush the cassette and the cogs after every ride. Then I scrub and degrease the chain about once or twice a week (sometimes more, depending on conditions), using a Park Tools chain cleaner loaded with Pedro's Bio Degreaser or Citrus Degreaser (whichever one happens to be lying around at the time). After it's scrubbed, I drip WL into each link and run the chain through all the gears twice to work it in. If the chain looks grimy after this, I repeat the process a second time, since I assume that means I'm knocking loose the gunk that was still on the chain.
I haven't been wildly happy with the results of using WL, and I think the T-9 or the Prolink may be the way to go during the summer months (y'know, April though November...) at least. Anything I can do to slow down the wear and tear on the drivetrain is a good thing.
Thanks, everyone!
DeR |
| use till it breaks then $20, cheaper than spending money on lube | Jm
Oct 25, 2001 5:57 PM | | lol. |
| $20.00 for a new XT rear derailleur and casette?!? | DeRanger
Oct 25, 2001 9:34 PM | | ...yeah, made me look - good one...
DeR |
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