|   Eggbeater update. | Finch Platte
May 17, 2002 6:58 PM | | Re/ my post below http://forums13.consumerreview.com/crforum?viewall@@.ef4b04a ...I called Crank Bros today, and they had a couple of suggestions.
First, they have changed the design of the cleat a little (see picture). The cleat on the right is the old one. Notice how it has the lip/cutout that follows the contours, so the entire cleat doesn't sit flush on the shoe. The new cleat doesn't have the lip- the whole thing sits flush. They claim there's no way the cleat will crack.(This pic is from the "top" of it- you'll have to take the cleat off to tell the difference).
Second, he suggested I turn the cleat a hair when I install it- this will let the shoe release earlier. He said if you're looking at your right shoe from the top as you're wearing it, the cleat should be installed a hair counterclockwise. Huh? Seems like this would be bass-ackwards.
Humpf. We'll see.
fp |
| No, it's your logic that's bass-ackwards ... | dogbert
May 18, 2002 6:40 AM | | An easier explanation would've been to tell you that for an easier release angle, align the cleat(s) to point more towards the big toe on each foot. For harder release, more towards the little toe. Looking down from above at your right shoe, towards the big toe is counter-clockwise.
Works the same way for any cleat. For Speedplay Frogs, which don't have a spring-retention system, it's the only way to adjust release (as long as you can prevent the damn cleat from twisting). |
| The problem with that... | Finch Platte
May 18, 2002 7:57 AM | | ...as I found this a.m., is that when I turn the cleat for easier release, the entry is also cockeyed, also my foot rests at an awkward angle when resting on the cleat and my shoes will brush the cranks.
As seen in this bad timer shot- this is how far I have to twist to get out (even when the cleat is straight, as it is here). On certain sections of trail, I don't have the room to twist this far, so I fall.
I'm beginning to think these pedals are
i not
for me ;0)
fp
To paraphrase the English Beat, "Twist and fall, twist and fall, twist and fall..." |
| I loved that album... | radair
May 18, 2002 12:18 PM | | Mirror in the bathroom, etc.
I need to find the CD. Thanks for the mammories. I'll have those tunes in my head all day. |
| Too hot! | fp
May 18, 2002 1:27 PM | | I've got it- want me to burn you a copy?
fp
swagking @ hotmail. com |
| I'm telling ya... | BikeWizard
May 19, 2002 12:17 AM | | Since I've migrated to the speedplay pedals, my complaints have gone away. Not to say they don't have their weaknesses, but there is a simple beauty to them.
I hate to see you have these kind of problems, and so I now pose a simple question to you. How much contact with the shoe/cleat do the egg beaters actually have?
In my experience with these kind of things, I've found that when pedal to shoe contact is minimized, so does pedal/cleat longevity. I have to say the same
rule applies to the speedplay system on the upstroke, but since the cleat is the mechanism, relase is never an issue. Sure, they DON'T relase inbound (unless you rip the crown out of the cleat) but that aspect of them
is also endearing after you get used to it. On the upstroke you have less contact with the pedal than the eggbeater, but on the down stroke there's a lot
more to push on.
I deemed the eggbeater silly in my own mind when I determined that you are constantly pushing against the force that holds you in the pedal. I don't think it's
a bad design altogether, but I do think I would trash them in a matter of moments.
Either way, your info and images are very insightful. Happy trails, BW. |
| Solved all my eggbeater problems.... | Rovert
May 18, 2002 7:01 AM | | Sold them and bought 959s. |
| That's been suggested before... | Finch Platte
May 18, 2002 7:58 AM | | Might be the next step.
fp |
| re: Eggbeater update. | B R H
May 18, 2002 8:59 AM | | I actually don't have Eggbeaters, but I use Times and had serious problems getting out of them until I modified my shoe. I bet this has already been suggested somewhere along the line, but have you made absolutely sure that the sole of your shoe isn't contacting any part of the pedal as you twist out? Intuitively it doesn't seem like a little contact would matter all that much, but it sure did on my Times. I had to cut ALOT of material off, but after I did, the release was COMPLETELY different. It was much much much easier and earlier too.
At first I thought it was just me. I would clip the shoe in by itself and twist it off and thought that it looked just fine. Sure, it hit a little inside the cleat window, but no big deal I thought. After all, it's just soft rubber right? After taking a bad beating falling on rocks all day, I finally trimmed the cleat window on my shiny new shoes and it help more than I expected, but it still seemed like something was wrong. So I started looking more carefully and finally noticed the lugs on the shoe actually catching on the pedal surface and axle -- especially when I had weight on the shoe/pedal. I cut 3 lugs completely off and it was like a whole new system. I immediately knew that this was how it was supposed to feel. It was much more mechanical and clean. Like it was engineered to be. Before it felt like I was prying against a spring (which sort of seemed right because that's what it was).
I'm holding out for the Ti Beaters... can't wait. |
| i don't understand your problems? | mondo
May 18, 2002 4:16 PM | | i have never had a problem with any of my EB. But i grind the
little bumps off the backside, not into f'en up my new shoes
and it makes it harder to move them to a new location if needed.
BTW, i run them on 3 bikes, but i run older Diadora Chili shoes.
even have had them on my Colnago for about a month. |
| The big problem is... | Finch Platte
May 18, 2002 5:33 PM | | ...I have to turn my feet incredibly far to get the pedal to release.
I thought that was clear.
fp |
| The big problem is... | mondo
May 19, 2002 2:14 AM | | are the 2 little dots on your right shoe? Sounds like you have them set up with the dots on the left shoe. Just checked 2 of my bikes,
they release faster than the Times and only takes about 6deg of
rotation to do so. |
| re: Eggbeater update. | Rupert at Crank Brothers
May 20, 2002 3:29 PM | | Hello,
I'm sorry to hear your having such a hard time getting out of the Egg Beaters. If you would like to give me a call at 949-464-9916 I can let you talk to one of the designers or the pedals. There are several ways to fix your problem. We are always happy to help out.
Regards,
Rupert
Crank Brothers |
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