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When did 'berms' replace 'turns' on trails?(6 posts)

When did 'berms' replace 'turns' on trails?Drew
Oct 7, 2002 3:49 PM
Living in bone-dry SoCal, I'm noticing a lot of "berming" of turns almost everywhere I ride.



I haven't done a "fish-tail" on a bike since the 3rd grade!



Are berms a natural result of over-use or misuse(i.e. taking too much speed into a turn)?
Berms are a natural extention of the trailTweek
Oct 7, 2002 3:58 PM
Properly maintain berms are trail enhancements.



Like any kind of trail, mountain bike trails develop over time in relation to the needs/skills/desires of the riders.



I love riding good berms. They're developing on many trails in the Bay Area, and there are even a few good ones on the Tahoe Rim Trail.



Of course, there are some places where berms or trail enhancements (logs, rock bridges, etc.) might cause erosion - these should be either fixed or, if necessary, removed.
I referring to something differentTweek
Oct 7, 2002 4:41 PM
We use the term 'berm' to describe high-banked turns that develop above existing terms... not speedbumps, sandtrips and otherwise ruined switchbacks caused by skidiots (great term!)
Berms are usually caused by dirt bikes. Are they on your trail?kyezle
Oct 7, 2002 4:13 PM
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When Barneys InvadeJ.D.
Oct 7, 2002 4:26 PM
A unnatural event caused by skidiots is more than likely what's causing that. Being one of few who knows about particular trails that don't see abuse, nor overuse, it's easy to tell if poor users have been on published trails.
It could be worse...Doug
Oct 8, 2002 10:32 AM
I'm starting to see the turns get wider and wider to accomodate the faster speeds and slacker angles of todays bikes. Not to mention the cutting of turns on downhill sections to make a sweeping trail straighter.
 


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