|   litespeed help needed...der hangers | hardtail4670
Apr 28, 2003 8:41 AM | | looking to buy a gently used litespeed hardtail frame and move into the world of titanium. do the litespeed frames have replaceable rear derailleur hangers? have looked at the Pisgah and Owl Hollow frames that don't seem to.
litespeed owners, if you've broken hangers, what's been your experience with getting the frames fixed/replaced? any hassles or long delays?
my current frame is on the third hanger, with more breaks sure to come. thanks! |
| Chances are very slim... | Titan
Apr 28, 2003 9:09 AM | | ...that you're going to bend or break a 6/4 Ti plate derailleur hanger, which is why they're usually not made as replaceables on Ti frames. The hanger attachment point would merely be a "weakest link" part to break. (I don't know why Moots doesn't catch on -- one of the reasons I didn't buy their frame is the "excess" of a replaceable hanger.)
What are you doing with your derailleur to ruin so many hangers? Sounds like a maintenance/tuning problem. |
| Chances are very slim... | RLinNH
Apr 28, 2003 9:44 AM | | "What are you doing with your derailleur to ruin so many hangers? Sounds like a maintenance/tuning problem"
Actually, it doesn't have to be a maintenance/tuning problem. I have gone through my fair share of rear deraliers/hangers. More times then not, it's caused by a stick and the rear spokes. Some times getting to close to a bush, or just having one kicked up by one of my wheels. Derailer looks like spaghetti, and the hanger always winds up bent to shit. |
| I bet your hanger bends/breaks first... | shiggy
Apr 28, 2003 10:44 AM | | ...causing the derailleur to go into the spokes.
A stronger hanger may just let the stick jam things up an give you time to stop to remove the stick before any real damage is caused. |
| Chances are very slim... | radair
Apr 28, 2003 9:57 AM | | I bent the deraileur hanger pretty well on my Ocoee. That said, Park's derailleur tool put it back perfectly. That tool is well-worth the $50 they ask for it.
As RL said, sticks have a way of grinding through derailleurs and hangers pretty easily.
I'll bet $5 that you live west of the Mississippi. |
| WA state... | Titan
Apr 28, 2003 10:57 AM | | ...but I've demolished derailleurs by catching them in the spokes here, too. I haven't had problems since I learned to maintain them, however. Maybe I've just been lucky.
But I had more problems like this just after I moved West than I did in Upstate NY. Then again, maybe we just couldn't ride quickly enough to do any damage because of the peanut butter mud in NY. |
| They do not need replaceable hangers | shiggy
Apr 28, 2003 9:26 AM | | Ti can be bent back into place if the hanger gets damaged.
I have been riding mtbs for 20 years (mostly steel) and never damaged a hanger enough that it needed replacing. I have had to straighten a few several times.
Replacable hangers were designed for aluminum frames. Aluminum can not be bent and straightened without weakening or breaking it. It is also very difficult to replace a welded on hanger on an Al frame.
Steel and Ti are less likely to be damaged in the first place and can be straightened many times. If a steel hanger is broken it can easily be replaced by a framebuilder and some shops. Ti hangers can also be replaced more easily than a welded AL hanger.
The replceable hangers on many current Al frames are designed to break and may be weaker than needed. They can also loosen causing shifting problems. |
| Interested in a '98 Obed? | wm
Apr 28, 2003 9:40 AM | | Frame's is in pristine satin-finish condition - no decals. Currently built up as a singlespeed.
Oh, and what they said about the lack of necessity for a der hanger on a Ti frame.
wm |
| DON'T BUY A BIKE FROM wm! | Stick
Apr 28, 2003 10:14 AM | | if you do, it will only decrease the likelyhood that he'll ever actually pedal a bike again.
Considering the MS150 PA Dutch tour in June. Wanna play? |
| For your inflammation... | wm
Apr 28, 2003 10:28 AM | | ...was just out on the ss yesterday. Took a newbie out and took it slow and patient, but it was a great feeling to be back on the bike. Technically perfect still (hehe), but legs notably deficient. Running just doesn't cut it.
June bad - planning on doing the Jersey city-to-shore ms150 in Sept. Thanks for the thought though.
wm |
| Question on the decals.... | vehazle
Apr 28, 2003 12:30 PM | | how did you remove the factory decals. I want to "unclutter" the look of my Obed, but also don't want to wreck the finish. I've tried a heat gun, but the decals proved to be very resistant to this type of persuasion. |
| Removing decals from Ti? Cake! | Titan
Apr 28, 2003 12:46 PM | | I just soak a paper towel with acetone (hardware store, home improvement store, or nail polish remover), hold it against the decal for 90 seconds, then simply wipe "decal mush" clean off the frame. It was so much fun, I wish I had more decals to remove.
Be careful with that acetone near any other parts, though. |
| I would let you obliterate mine for me... | vehazle
Apr 28, 2003 7:17 PM | | but you make it sound like so much fun I'll have to do it myself. I think I'll wait 'till after the acetone to have the growler of Icky that is required when working on the bike. I don't know how well IPA and acetone would mix.
Thanks for the help. |
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| sandhawg, your an ass... | RLinNH
Apr 28, 2003 11:05 AM | | ...that is all. |
| re: litespeed help needed...der hangers | hardtail4670
Apr 28, 2003 10:10 AM | | thanks everybody, i noticed that Moots puts them on, but Litespeed doesn't, just wondered.
have a Specialized M2 frame...the first twisted because of a sizable stick caught up in the drivetrain, the other was a side impact to a rock, bent the hanger inward badly.
it sounds like everyone's been able to bend them back successfully with titanium. |
| I would avoid replacable hangars on Ti... | GregR
Apr 28, 2003 12:37 PM | | Ti does not need a replacable hangar. Its pretty tough stuff. I have wrapped derailleurs around my cassette and busted the pivots out of the derailleur, and the hangar on my Dean did not budge at all.
Another big advantage is shifting performance wil be more accurate without a replacable hangar. AL hangars are a weak link, and most that I have seen are half the thickness of the dropout which actually flexes pretty easy. Santa Cruz resisted the replaceable hangar for a long time for this reason.
And if you do really bend it to the point where it cannot be straightened (highly doubt it), a new one can be weleded on at any Ti framebuilder no problem. A steel frame may require some repainting, but with no finish on brushed Ti, its perfect.
G |
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