|   Dream setup: frame will be a Mutiniman from M. Chester | ernesto
Oct 2, 2002 9:14 AM | | Frame: Mutiniman ti frame from Matt Chester
wheels: Mavics, WTB, Surly
Bars: Salsa Bell Lap
Brakes: V with travel agents / Avid brakes / Shimano road levers
Cranks: Race Face
Chain: BMX chain
Headset: C. King
Pedals: Shimano
Saddle: WTB
Post: Easton
Stem: Dimension |
| re: Dream setup: frame will be a Mutiniman from M. Chester | twonineSS
Oct 2, 2002 10:49 AM | | ernesto,
i ordered a mutinyman from matt, should have it shortly, can't wait to ride it. parts are building up, waiting for the frame.
phil wood hubs, king headset, moots stem, moots seatpost, moots bar,
wtb moto & nano raptors. i'll post a pic when it's done. later |
| Wow! Did you just refinance or something? | 2melow
Oct 2, 2002 2:16 PM | | That's a lot of $$$ titanium and boutique parts.
Post a pic of that bad boy when you get it built up! |
| Wow! Did you just refinance or something? | twonineSS
Oct 3, 2002 4:20 AM | | yeah kinda pricey stuff, but i saved for a good long while, and sold two 26" mtb frames along the way, and since it's a single speed, and has a non-suspension corrected Hunter fork, less parts. oh yeah, the moots gadgets got boogarted off one of the sold 26" frames. i'll definitely post a picture when done. 2melow, what booth are you going to be at for interbike, i'll stop by, we can go get shinerbock from willits. |
| Wow! Did you just refinance or something? | 2melow
Oct 3, 2002 12:23 PM | | I'm at #5812 Ultimate Bicycle Support
Stop by for sure! |
| You better keep this one... | BitterChan
Oct 2, 2002 1:37 PM | | Just kidding! Took the Ute on a sweet night ride last pm. Ended up running a Hunter fork and flat bars. For now at least.
I tried travel agents on my cross bike and didn't like them. They work great when first set up, but as your pads wear and cables stretch, it changes the pulley position and leverage. Maybe a barrel adjuster would fix that?
A few mud rides really roughed up the pulleys, even after cleaning they were never as smooth. I eventually switched to old school cantis, but for a 29"er I'd definitely want V's. |
| travel agents | ernesto
Oct 2, 2002 7:57 PM | | I will keep this one. We're putting a team together for the 24 hr race in Laguna Seca. All of us in Cross bikes. And the chester will be the Fat Tire addition.
I do have travel agents with pulleys on my LeMond Poprad. They work fine for now. Haven't done any mud rides. I had to put on Avid v-brakes because the old Shimanos I was using squealed like crazy.
They work just fine. |
| I hated the Travel Agents | shiggy
Oct 3, 2002 9:13 AM | | The cam position kept changing on me. I switched to Dia Compe 287V levers and all is well. |
| re: Dream setup: frame will be a Mutiniman from M. Chester | flyweight
Oct 2, 2002 4:25 PM | | I'd seriously advise against the V/travel agent route. For starters, v-brakes have way more power than a typical cross tire can handle. You quickly overcome the traction ability of the tire and wind up in a skid. Also the travel agents become less effective over time due to cable stretch and pad wear. Finally, they're a pain to set-up and the whole arrangement ends up being much heavier than a cantilever.
A much lighter and better option is to just run cantilevers. The Paul models have the most power though the wide arm models stick out a bit and may catch your ankles. |
| on the brake front | jpre
Oct 3, 2002 12:31 AM | | Can anyone elaborate on brakes being too strong for skinny tires off road? If brakes modulate well enough then isn't it ok for them to be strong enough to skid a tire. I know the above statement was made about v brakes. I was wondering about discs for skinny cyclocross tires. I think the avid mech disc can be adjusted for leverage somewhat. Would it be problematic overkill anyway? |
| on the brake front | flyweight
Oct 3, 2002 8:25 AM | | I've seen a couple of cross bikes equipped with Avid discs. They do work much better than v-brakes but still don't work quite as well as cantilevers (though they come very close). They also weigh a whole lot more when you include heavier hubs, stronger spokes, etc. I think they're a good idea if you live in really wet/muddy climates but for riding in my neck of the woods (San Francisco) I'd still prefer a set of cantilevers. |
| Cantis are best for 'cross, even in the mud | shiggy
Oct 3, 2002 9:20 AM | | Vs and discs are overkill with a narrow (25-35mm) tire. Tire traction is the limiting factor. The brakes overpower the contact patch.
Vs or discs
i do
make sense on a 29"er because the tire is "normal" 26" mtb width. |
| Cantis are best for 'cross, even in the mud | flyweight
Oct 3, 2002 12:27 PM | | I agree completely but there are some people who have gone the disc route. Personally, I'll stick to cantis simply because they're easier to work on. |
| Cantis are best for 'cross, even in the mud | jpre
Oct 3, 2002 1:55 PM | | It's interesting you should say that because the reason I was asking is avid mechcanical discs are the easiest brakes to work on I've ever touched. Cantis have always annoyed me. I'm sure they're easy to work on when you know what you're doing, but avid mechs work even when you don't, at least in my experience. And I hate rim brake rub if your wheel goes out of true (also a symptom of not knowing what you're doing). |
| Cantis are best for 'cross, even in the mud | flyweight
Oct 3, 2002 3:06 PM | | True, the Avids are a breeze to work on in the shop and I'm probably going to run them on my next MTB (a 29" bike with dropbars - sort of a cross bike on steroids). As for things going out of true, I know more than a few people who have had rides ruined by bent rotors which are a little harder to fix in the field than out of true rims where you can always let out the brake cable. I also don't like the fact that you have to use heavier spokes and that disc hubs are quite a bit heavier (though the new XTRs seem to have solved that problem). I know one guy who fooloishly built a disc equipped wheel with Revolution spokes. He had a nice hike out of the woods when his wheel taco'd. Discs are still very much in their infancy. I think in another 2-3 years they'll be perfected and become the norm. |
| On the lever front.... | martini
Oct 2, 2002 6:03 PM | | I'd stay away from the Travel agents too. But for another reason. I know this is gonna be a twoniner. You more than likely want v's [allthough, Pauls Touring cantis' and Cross canti's are pretty pwerful littel gems]. I'd strongly suggest that you go for Diacompes 287 v compatible road levers. Less to hassle with. Like others have said, mixing more parts into the mix only degrades the performance of the brakes in the long run.
The MuTinyman is currently a dream for me as well. I'm hoping that once I get out of grad school and get that nice paying job, I can afford the $1500 for the frame. Ever since meeting him at the 2k SS worlds, I've wanted to get one of his frames. One day soon!
Marty~ps: go for Phil hubs! |
| my Chester 29er SS | Racer X
Oct 3, 2002 4:37 AM | | I was forced to sell two bikes to help pay for it[and buy my wife a new kayak] but it was a small price to pay for the grin every ride puts on my face...
mutiniman frame
velocity rims
wtb tires [nanos]
king ss hubs
wtb drop bar
287v levers
salsa stem
paul moto v brakes
king head set
salsa ti front skewer
kelly rigid fork
race face turbine 170mm arms
race face signature bb
spot ring & guard
race face seatpost
pro gel saddle
time peddles |
| my Chester 29er SS | twonineSS
Oct 3, 2002 4:42 AM | | how do you like it? have you had a lot of saddle time, and could you post a picture of the complete bike? would be stoked to see how your's looks, would help in the waiting for mine. how do you like the Kelly fork, is it susy corrected? my mutinyman frame is non susy geometry with a Hunter fork. yours sounds rad, congrats |
| 'nother call for pictures! | martini
Oct 3, 2002 12:17 PM | | Sounds like a sweeet ride! I'd love to see some nice pictures of it. I've heard the Kelly forks(at least in the 26" version) ride pretty harsh compared to somet hing as slender as the Hunter or Independent forks out there. Kelly uses some pretty fat blades. I've seen a pic of a Dogbox by Chester, but none of his muTiny mans. Love his work, that's for sure.
Marty |
| as soon as I get digital , I'll post it up... | Racer X
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