|   IRC Notos (wire) + Stans + Salsa Delgado rms - Good or Bad ? | AZ XCRDR
May 22, 2003 10:02 AM | | I was wondering if anyone on this board has had any experience
with the above combination ? I've been running IRC Mytho II's
on Bonty race rims w/tubes w/out any problems and was looking to
go to a different combo using Stan's. I weigh 190 pds so I'm
a little bit leary of running Stans using this setup. |
| re: IRC Notos (wire) + Stans + Salsa Delgado rms - Good or Bad ? | mc29ss
May 22, 2003 12:35 PM | | i sure would be leary also.
i run those salsa delgawdo's and have run'em smack dab full steam into rocky area's while squinting, the whole time thinking the nano's are going to pinch the tube, and all has been fine. i don't mind carrying tubes, and i hate any kinda sealent blowing all over hell and gone,
but do what you wish.
over and out
nate |
| I hope xxlt jumps in here to share his experiences... | næstep
May 22, 2003 8:05 PM | | ...but he's a big dude I think he's said 280 pounds and he's running Stans successfully with Nanos (pretty sure the kevlar bead) and Alex (TD17??) rims. He made the switch after rolling a tubed Nano off his stock rim on the road, plus numerous thorn problems.
Well, since I already stole all his thunder, I may as well go on.
I rode with him on his first day out with Stans and that goo crap made a believer out of me. We were pounding down a section when he says, "I think I've got a flat." We stop, and sure enough I heard a very faint hiss. He spun the wheel around, and there's this little mushroom head of latex goo mushrooming up from the puncture. He spun the wheel puncture side facing down for a few seconds, let it set, and the leak was sealed.
He got a couple more during the ride (how, I don't know I never never ever flat there!) but didn't stop. They sealed up as he rode along.
Now, I don't have a flat problem, not since some initial teething problems getting odd-sized tubes to fit my 29" rubber. But that's my only excuse for sticking with tubes for now. If I needed any additional flat protection, I'd switch to Stan's without hesitation.
næstep |
| re: IRC Notos (wire) + Stans + Salsa Delgado rms - Good or Bad ? | rocema
May 22, 2003 12:51 PM | | With all of the sizing and fit issues regarding 29"er rims/tires, I'm really hesitant about running Stan's at all. I use Dyads with wire Nanos, Wrench Force tubes and a squirt or two of Tufo sealant (latex, basically the same as Stan's) and run 30-35 psi with no problems and virtually no flats. The setup may not be quite as light as others, but I never worry when I'm bombing down a rocky hill about the tires rolling off (although I do worry about falling for any variety of other reasons...) |
| STANS has been very problematic thus far | n8ofire
May 22, 2003 6:56 PM | | I personally don't know of anyone running stans very successfully on any 29" setup. I have tried many combinations all with catastrophic results. I'm not saying it's not possible, but with the superlight setup that I am trying to achieve, I have had no peace of mind with stans like I have had on my 26ers. Believe me, I WANT it to work, just haven't seen it yet with a lightweight setup. |
| Stan's Is Working Well For Me... | C-Hog
May 23, 2003 5:58 AM | | I can't speak to your specific question involving the Salsa rims. However, I am running Stan's with (almost) the same rim/tire combo you have been running with tubes... Bonty Race(Lite) rims, and IRC Mythos II tires.
My front tire aired up with a floor pump the very first try, sealed immediately, and has not lost a single bit of air in four weeks. I had just a little bit more trouble with the rear taking air. Wound up attributing it to the rear tire being slightly oversized (or the rear rim slightly undersized). I solved the problem by purchasing some 1/4" wide foam weather stripping tape. Layed one layer down, under the Stan's rubber rim strip. This filled up the rim's "cavity", and made for a tighter fit between the tire's bead and the rubber rim strip. With the weather stripping tape in place, the tire aired up with a floor pump first try.
I'm 180-185 pounds, so not that much lighter than you. I raced with this setup last weekend on a course with LOTS of climbing, and a couple of fairly extremely rocky sections. It took me to my first ever Expert-Class podium finish. I have TOTAL confidence in the system. BTW, running between 40 & 45 psi.
Good luck.
Jim C. |
| Me too | rp
May 23, 2003 7:07 AM | | I'm running Bontrager Race wheels with Notos (kevlar) tires and the strip Stan marketed as a 29er strip last year. It's identical to a 26" strip I think. It just stretches. I raced a full season (maybe 20 races) on some really scary rocky trails with full confidence. One minor "burp" has been the extent of my troubles. The rear wheel, with it's asym profile can be tricky to set up, but with patience things should eventually seal up. |
| Stans has spoiled me... | xxlt
May 23, 2003 7:05 AM | | As Næstep indicated, before Stans I was VERY flat prone. I went thru literally 15 tubes during my first 6 weeks on a 29"er. Then I decided to try Stans and haven't looked back since.
My specific setup is as follows: Alex TD17's, one strip of rim tape between the rim and Stans rim strip and wire beaded Nano's. The result is a system that has been flat free for over 3 months now.
I am a big guy. 6'9" anywhere from 280-300 depending on time of year ;). I've run Stans at 40psi and flown down some pretty rough terrain at some pretty significant speeds on my rigid; no tire problems at all. I've run them at 22psi and tackled some pretty rough ascents where I constantly pinched the tire and whacked the rim, and still no problems. I have dished out all the punishment my riding style warrents and yet never has the system even hiccupped.
While I can't comment on your setup specifically, I can say for me, the system I now run has saved my riding career. Without it, I couldn't trust any ride that took me too far away from the car. Now, I rarely even think about it. |
| Advice and Experiences Appreciated... | AZ XCRDR
May 23, 2003 11:34 AM | | I want to Thank all of you responding to this post for your advice
and experiences ! : - )
This is a great board where people don't attack one another just
because someone has a different view point or experience
using a particular product.
Everyone have a safe and enjoyable holiday weekend !
Keep riding those BIG wheels ! |
| Anyone with a narrow rim/Stans? | n8ofire
May 24, 2003 4:42 AM | | I'm glad that people are getting Stans to work, perhaps I've just had bad luck. Bonti race with Mythos II blew up on me, aftermarket Mustang rim with kevlar nano blew on me also, but the one I really wanted to work and have tried several times is my superlight setup with open pro/nano (kev) This wheelset is lighter than a bonti racelite wheelset, and with Stans would be super fast and puncture resistant.
I'm totally a believer in Stans for 26 - I raced a full year and a half with ZERO flats and no problems, not questioning it's merits at all. If anyone has gotten an open pro or similar narrow rim to work DEPENDABLY, I want to hear about it (I see Mike C. has not had success with the Zipps.) Thanks for all your input!
nate |
| nope, with details | Mikec
May 24, 2003 6:55 AM | | I should qualify that post about the Stan's/Zipp combo. I love the ride of the NoTubes setup on my Mavic T520's, because it allows me to safely run what I consider to be very low pressure in really rocky terrain. 22 psi is common, with no flats or other problems to speak of. It's my favorite wheelset for doing carefree all-day epics.
The Zipp rims are considerably stiffer in every plane, and so with low pressure using a Stans setup you really feel the tire worming around under the rim--because there is zero give to the rim. This is not a confidence inspiring feeling. I'm comfortable racing the Zipp wheels with tubes at 35-38psi, but even though they're lighter AND more durable than the Mavic's, that squishy tire feeling just ain't for me when it comes to normal riding. I'd imagine an Open Pro would be similar under me in the conditions I normally ride. YMMV.
MC |
| Stan's Works with Bontragers | RangerJay
May 24, 2003 2:22 PM | | Stan designed the system for Bontrager wheels because those are the most common. Since 29" wheels are already less common, why would anyone who knows what a business case is spend development time/money on smaller markets? But with the Notos and Bontragers, I've been flat free. After the initial week of settling in and giving a motionless bike wheel an occasional spin to keep the sealant moving, my tubeless wheels lose less air than my tubed set. I still want to know what other tires will work well, although I'm pretty sure only Kevlar beads will adapt. |
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