|   what's your karate monkey weigh? | offroadie
Jan 5, 2004 2:29 PM | | i'm not a weight weenie, BUT:
i'm curious what your rigid, singlespeed monkeys weigh? please advise with or without discs. if you've got gears, lemme hear that too. muchas gracias. |
| My KM: 28# 6oz... My Buzz Bomb: 24# 10oz..... you decided | Rigid29erSSguy
Jan 5, 2004 6:35 PM | | These comments from my rather un-scientific observations. And yes, I own both.
The KM rides ok. Was a bit unstable on the decents and just did't want to be ridden out of the saddle much. Was more of a get in the rear of the saddle and slog up the hill. Felt much smoother yet sluggish.
The Buzz Bomb rides great.. quick, repsonsive, tons of control on in the corners and downhills. Loves to be ridden out of the saddle. Is a bit harsh as rigid but you get used to it and welcome the extra control. Am actually faster on the decents becuase I just feel safer. Hard to say why
KM: 18"... WB 100mm fork... Paul's Work/Delgado disc wheels... Avid 185mm disc... (these stop almost as good as my Hayes Hydros)
... Icon crank... no name riser bars... XY seatpost...
Single speed running 32 upfront and 20 tooth in back. Nano tires. Frog pedals
Buzz Bomb: 17" rigid fork single speed running 30/20. Surly rigid fork. Bontranger Race wheels with Nano tires. Hayes Hydraulic 160mm. No name crank and bars and stem
... Frog pedals
With deals that Van Dessel is blowing out on the Buzz Bomb, there is no contest in my mind given the performance, weight and cost.
Just my $.02
;) |
| The taller gearing on the KM... | shiggy©®
Jan 5, 2004 9:33 PM | | ... could account for the "sluggish" climbing, especially combined with the suspension fork and extra few pounds. |
| 24.5 lbs with 185 avid discs | appleSSeed
Jan 5, 2004 6:52 PM | | setup as a SS and rigid it's 24.5...that's a weight I can deal with, could be a lb lighter with v's but who wants v's?
and I don't know, maybe dude above me doesn't have the right size, but my Karate monkey feels great all around, it's really stable and fast at the same time. maybe position of the axle in the fork ends affects it? |
| appleSSeed, a few more details? | offroadie
Jan 6, 2004 2:19 PM | | what tires are you running? rims? what SSize?
i'd take an 18", so it doesn't seem like it'd be that hard to end up with a rigid single w/ discs around 24 lbs, especially depending on tire choice, eh? |
| specs | appleSSeed
Jan 6, 2004 5:54 PM | | hey you're from Kansas huh? I live in topeka and mostly ride Perry trail although lately haven't been riding at all but here are my specs if I have the right bike...
frame is a large 20", stock surly seatcollar and fork
frame=2652 grams
fork=1185 g (uncut)
grips-bobkes=50 g
handlebar-azonic cf1=168 grams
headset-king-120 grams
pedals-eggbeater ss= 270 grams
qr's= bolt on steel=65 grams
seat binder= 52 grams
seat-SLR=139 grams
seatpost-FRM=187 grams
stem-pazzazz=151 grams
tires-IRC Mythos-front=639
rear=648
tube-WTB=429
wheelset-delgado/am classic/ws db- front=897
rear=1023
crankset-xtr 180/jericho 34tooth ring=512
chain=251
cassette-CK Cog 19tooth steel=41
brakes-avid 185-front=386
rear=409
levers-sram 9.0=157
bottom bracket-xtr=214
bottle cage-trek batcage=41 grams
I think that's about it, plus cables, and headset spacers it's around 24.5lbs. I really forgot about the weight weenieism in me for a bunch of parts but every now and then it gets to me :^) |
| nah, not kansaSS | offroadie
Jan 6, 2004 8:39 PM | | my "little" cousin and his little bro went to KU, and my aunt sometimes teaches at K-state (can you even imagine dinner at their house?). i've been to some frat parties at KU but that's it. i'm all about SoCal these days. ;-P
anyway, thanks for the specs. i was thinking an 18" would be the ticket for me @ 6'1" & 34" inseam. my DiSS is a 19" and i rode an 18" km that felt pretty good the shop, but i'll go in for a second opinion before i do the deal.
p.s., i'm waiting for a black one at the end of the month. |
| go with the 20" | appleSSeed
Jan 7, 2004 5:44 PM | | I also stepped onto a medium at the shop and was suprised that it acutally felt decent. I'm used to riding 25" top tubes. I'm 6'2" with a 33" inseam and it fits like a glove with a 120mm stem. I'd say go with the Large and a 120 stem or a 110 if you like your cockpits shorter. |
| 27.4 pounds, rigid SS with 185mm Avids & Thudbuster | GlowBoy
Jan 5, 2004 9:11 PM | | Stock KM rigid fork
Kenda Klaws F&R
Salsa Delgado X rims laced to XT disc hubs, MeanTodd-built
Avid 185mm mechanical discs, Deore levers
90x45 stem, Bontrager 25" flat bar, 2 sets of bar ends
Thudbuster post, cut down a couple inches to fit the curved ST
Specialized Telluride saddle
1992 DX cranks, 34t & 37t rings
PC-7X chain, 22t & 19t sturmey-archer cogs
Weight does not include fenders (which might as well be considered components around here this time of year) or various illuminatory devices.
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| 24.1lbs | chuckc71
Jan 6, 2004 3:18 AM | | But, I just put a lighter saddle on. It's probably 24 on the dime.
It's a 20" and I run a 1x8, Magura Marta SL disc brakes. Do a search for my username for pics. |
| re: 24.1lbs | ncj01
Jan 6, 2004 5:51 AM | | I'd like to see a full spec breakdown before I'd really trust those #'s. |
| Full parts breakdown | chuckc71
Jan 6, 2004 10:01 AM | | Frame: 20" Karate Monkey
Fork: Surly Karate Monkey
Wheels: 32h Bontrager 29er OSB (front and rear) Disc-only Mustangs, Sapim CX-Ray spokes, Sapim Alu nipples, WTB Lazer Disc Lite rear hub, Real Disc front hub
Tires: Bontrager-Jones ACX
Tubes: WTB
Cranks: XTR DH 180mm
BB: XTR 73x112.5mm
Chainring: Jericho XTR Suffering 34t
Chainguard: Forge Ringpull (set up for 34t)
Chain: SRAM PC68
Shifter: Suntour XC Expert (same as pro with less chrome)
Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR short cage
Cassette: XTR 8 speed 12-28
Pedals: TIME ATAC Carbon
Brakes: Magura Marta SL
Stem: RaceFace Deus 120x5 degree
Headset: Chris King
Handlebar: Easton Monkeylite XC 26"
Grips: ODI Ruffian
Seatpost: X-Lite Matrix XLR Series Cross Country
Seat: Sella Italia Storica |
| claimed gm per part? (nm) | ncj01
Jan 6, 2004 12:46 PM | | |
| No I haven't | chuckc71
Jan 7, 2004 9:43 AM | | I just weighed it on a reputable hanging scale at an LBS.
If I get time, I might add all that up. In the meantime, you will just have to trust that on that day, with that scale and before I replaced the seat, the bike weighed exactly 24.1 lbs. |
| re: what's your karate monkey weigh? | fatmarc
Jan 6, 2004 4:23 AM | | 24 flat. rigid fork, xtr v-brakes, single speed set up. Just put an suspension for on it, but haven't put it on the scale yet. I'm thinking it'll be close to 26. We'll see. Bike rides like a dream rigid, will probably stick with that, but for longer, more rocky races the fork was needed. respect. |
| also 24.5 lbs... | sslos
Jan 6, 2004 8:08 AM | | built with:
monkeylite bar
race face prodigy stem
ck h/s
velocity dyads
xt ft. hub/ surly rear- 14/15g. dt spokes
nano/motoraptors
xt/xtr v-brakes
truvative stylo ss crank
truvative gigapipe team sl bb
eggbeaters
ritchey wcs post
brooks swift saddle
will probably weigh about a lb.5 more when i get the bw.8.
the los |
| 24.6lbs...... | donkey
Jan 6, 2004 10:31 AM | | single, discs, etc. size 18. Could be a quite a bit lighter, maybe 2 lbs? |
| 24.5 pounds, rigid & built for an abusive 300+ pounds | DancingBear
Jan 6, 2004 1:13 PM | | Nothing lightweight about the build:
22" KM frame & fork
King HS
Dyad rims 36f/48rear, tied & soldered
XT disc f hub, Gusset Judge disc rear
Kenda Klaws
2003 XT cranks/bb
Titec Rip 31.8 stem
Truvative Holzfeller bar
Titec Knock post
Avid SD7 brakes
Sram 9.0 levers
My Karate Monkey is the best fitting, best handling bike I've ever owned, even with those damn skinny tires. Every time I ride with a group at least one person will say that I'm a different rider on this bike, and I feel like it. I always feel like I'm on the attack, even if I'm riding alone. That was never the case on any other bike I've owned. It's just so damn fast! And I know my fat a$$ isn't fast, so I'm gonna give the bike the credit on this one. It's perfect for the long flats & serpentine rootbeds that we call trails down here in SoFla. And it absolutely rules in blown out sand!!!
And about that rear hub, I highly recommend it for those that kill rear hubs but don't want to drop the coin for a King or Hadley. The freewheel mechanism has proven to be reliable and has less lash than typical shimano fare. The axle is 14mm & slotted for regular 9mm dropouts and features very large nuts and washers with aggressive teeth. It's intended for the DJ scene, but it's my new favorite for the clydes. Also, I've found the going with tied & soldered spokes on big wheels dramatically increases their stiffness. |
| 25.5 lbs, built fairly stout | qtip
Jan 7, 2004 7:04 AM | | that's also with h20 bottle cages/pump mounts, and a bunch of mud
I did the weight weenie thing on this and on paper it should be 24.4lbs.
small KM frame/fork
phil wood hubs, rear flip flop
curve cranks
blackspire ring god put on last night (added about half a pound)
time atac pedals
avid mag brakes, sram 9.0 sl levers
easton monkeylite bar
king hs
race face system
motoraptors
could be lighter, but no need....I have a 26" ss that weighs 35+lbs. |
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