|   single vs multi pivot questions... | yellowwducky
Jan 2, 2004 10:02 AM | | Hi all,
I am still pondering bikes for my wife and I. I am wondering, how does the ride differ on a single pivot style bike? I have not had a chance to ride one. I gather there is inherently a bit more travel.
Are they more 'plush' (I assume plush means bumps dont bother my butt over the course of a long ride)?
Are they meant more for freeride/downhill rather than cross country?
Are they generally heavier?
Are they more likely to break (as there is only one pivot point after all) or are they more reliable (since there are not multiple pivot points)?
Do they get 'sloppy' in the tail section if the terrain gets choppy?
Are they more susceptible to 'bob' (unless you have a lock out shock)?
Regards and sorry for all the newbie questions
YD |
| They are different... | Homebrew
Jan 2, 2004 2:05 PM | | You can't really generalize as to which is stiffer or less maintenance or freeride vs. XC or plush. It really all depends on what you are looking for. There are examples of good and bad executions of both designs. Not all 4 bars are created equal either. It all depends on the pivot locations, rear shock choice and build quality.
Are there any bikes you were particularly interested in? Then maybe we could get into specifics. |
| pantera vs say a scalpel | yellowwducky
Jan 2, 2004 5:49 PM | | My wife and I rode scalpels yesterday. Nice. I didnt really like the Jekyll as when riding without lockout felt like riding a trampoline. Didnt notice that effect anywhere near as much on scalpel. My guess is pantera would be more Jekyll like than Scalpel like. I love the look and craftmanship that is apparent in the pantera (and it is divorce time if I spend even more on one of their multipivots). I was thinking Scalpels for both of us or Pantera for both of us or, uh, well Pantera for me! |
| pantera vs say a scalpel | yellowwducky
Jan 2, 2004 5:50 PM | | My wife and I rode scalpels yesterday. Nice. I didnt really like the Jekyll as when riding without lockout felt like riding a trampoline. Didnt notice that effect anywhere near as much on scalpel. My guess is pantera would be more Jekyll like than Scalpel like. I love the look and craftmanship that is apparent in the pantera (and it is divorce time if I spend even more on one of their multipivots). I was thinking Scalpels for both of us or Pantera for both of us or, uh, well Pantera for me! |
| Pantera... | Homebrew
Jan 5, 2004 8:57 AM | | A lot of the monkey motion you felt in the Jekyll was probably a setup issue rather than a design flaw. Proper spring rate (air pressure) and rebound setting is essential for any full suspension bike. Also, most rear shocks this year include some sort of stable platform that helps eliminate pedal bob.
Out of the two, I would have to say Pantera. Ventana makes really nice bikes. I'm really not a fan of anything from Cannondale. I'm rather averse to the proprietary nature of their bikes (Headshock, Lefty, custom mounting Fox rear shocks, etc).
Might I suggest looking at the 2004 Turner Burner as well. It's a well built 4 bar Horst link with 3.5" of travel and VERY reasonably priced around $1350 for the frame with Fox Float R ProPedal. Check with Charles at Hammerhead, Larry at Mtn High, or other reputable Turner dealers for more info.
http://www.mtnhighcyclery.com/mhc5.htm
http://www.hammerheadbikes.com/company/contact/ |
| hmmm | yellowwducky
Jan 6, 2004 6:47 AM | | Thanks for the feedback.
Yea, that might start to make some sense. The shop adjusted the seat and pumped up the tires on the jekyll but I am sure they did nothing with the rear shock - hence the potential for boingo boingo. I was basically 'no way' after riding that. This is even more so in my mind for my wife. If it did that for her, bad scene I am sure. She will want the suspension to soak up bumps but won't go for bobbing.
Having looked/thought about it a bit more and looked at the geometries etc, I kinda like the x5 for both of us. That said, kaboom goes the budget. She would mildly freak on a pantera, el mucho freak on x5 money (frame cost alone would be her idea of whole budget - can she ride one without wheels?!).
Have also looked at turners a bit. I don't want to get this thread into a slinging match as seems to be a bit of animosity around here on this name. It's in the running though to be sure.
I should also mention I have the bonus fun of trying to buy all of this from overseas so makes for a huge pain when trying to find/see any of these names.
Regards,
YD |
| not enough standover | yellowwducky
Jan 6, 2004 6:57 AM | | Fraid there is not enough standover on the Turner Burner for my wife. negative clearance with 30 standover versus 28.5 inch inseam. |
| re: single vs multi pivot questions... | solo
Jan 8, 2004 10:08 AM | | Some people have had much success on multipivot bikes but not me.
Some people have multipivot bikes from 1999 that still stand strong but not me.
I choose Single Pivot because I dont want to change bearings and parts 2 or more times per season.
Choose Multi pivot if you like to have 6 pivots more than you need and a whole lot of headaches.
I was on Single pivot FS bike for years with zero problems.
I tried a VPP multipivot system in 2003 and let me tell you that thing loosened up so bad and ovalized it was a huge mess. I was on the phone with the company every weekend and had to swap out swingarms, links and get a bearing press ordered. Really sucked. was exensive and it happened often too.
The swingarm literally was flapping in the wind.
Would fix it and it would come back by the end of the weekend.
Ride Characteristics?
hardly noticeable difference between single and mono.
Mono actually rode better IMO.
sprinted better and is more laterally rigid.
Straight line acceleration is fantastic on Monopivot bikes.
Didnt feel 'Brake Jack' and to this day not sure if there is such a thing.
people will flame me for what I just said but I didnt
earn a Semi-Pro Norba license by posting on the internet.
Go single pivot.
I just bought a new single pivot bike for the 04' season.
so damn lovely.
Single pivot FS bikes for me is my 'rule of thumb.' |
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