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ATTN: go-ride, please refrain from posting ads here... (50 posts)
|  ATTN: go-ride, please refrain from posting ads here... | gregg
Sep 5, 2001 8:47 AM | | ...we do not allow ads in our discussion forums.
Thank you in advance for your compliance.
-Gregg, Site Manager MtbREVIEW |
| Can you show us some examples? | Duncan
Sep 5, 2001 9:06 AM | | I remember a post today or yesterday about some wheelsets they
had available. Maybe MTBR should post some guidelines as to what constitute an 'Ad'. I read every Go-Ride post because they usually
contain the best info on our sport you can find on the net. I don't think any mtbr readers are at all bothered by any for sale content
in his posts...unless they are a less-successful competitor. The
spirit of this board should be the free exchange of information and
imho, that should include pricing info as long as it's not the primary
objective of the post. We readers can tell the difference, and obvious
solicitations are met with harsh "SPAM!!!" replies. Pls dont discourage or ban
the most informed and helpful posters here like Go-Ride or Unreal....
They make the boeard a more valuable experience for all of us. JMHO, of course. |
| It's people like Scott that makes this site valuable! | kpb
Sep 5, 2001 9:06 AM | | And I've never seen him post an ad here. |
| When did he post an add? This is stupid!! | Freak
Sep 5, 2001 9:07 AM | | I haven't seen Scott post on MTBR in a long while. Why don't you stop worrying about ads and start worrying about how this site is working. This site is super slow now and I can't view half of the post on this new board.
Plus if anyone asks me for a recommendation for online shops, I will tell them to go to go-ride.
I'm sorry, but Scott has been around for a long time, and this just pisses me off.....
rapiddescentracing
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| Ditto..ditto and ditto (nm) | Acadian
Sep 5, 2001 9:13 AM | | nm |
| Freak is right.....(much more) | Rhino from WA
Sep 5, 2001 10:02 AM | | Scott and Go-ride has been an active and beneficial presence here. If some one is asking about a product and Scott has it in stock....he generally knows as much or more than the manufacturer about the said product and he has his own opinions and comparisons. I have never met Scott but I respecthis opinion and as a source of "information."
How much does this wiegh?.....compared to this? Does anyone carry these things? This is but a small portion of what is asked on this board and at times is asked directly at Scott(paging Scott@go-ride) He is always curtious and helpful if he can be. He will let people know if he just received some items that have been the subject of board discussion and wanting. Not a blanket ad, but a response to board members looking for items.
Now if someone were to post "call this 1(800) number now and reciev your first 1500 minutes free in this incredible mobile phone offer......or lose 40 pounds before Halloween", then that would be an advertisment. Even "hey anyone wanna buy my bike?" is an ad. But if someone is looking for a Trixxy fork and Scott says "Yo I gotts one if you want it(yes I know scott doesn't talk like that, well I never have actually heard him talk LOL! Ahem sorry).....that is not an ad!!!!!!!!!!
Right message Gregg, I just think it was aimed to specifically at the wrong person.
Rhino from WA |
| What ads? | Munster
Sep 5, 2001 9:09 AM | | Is this really gregg, or some troublemaker? If this is really gregg, add this post to the numerous bonehead moves that the mtbr admin has pulled that have only served to piss off their supporters. |
| More bad PR......... | Cant Climb
Sep 5, 2001 9:15 AM | | ........he doesn;t posts ads. He offers advice to many and informs
if he might have something they could use......
Greg, just start sending your resume' out now. Do yourself a favor......
I was over on N SMB this morning........pretty cool site....only reason i went over there was because of the crap here lately......
CC. |
| what if i suggest go-ride and some deal they have? | zedro
Sep 5, 2001 9:17 AM | | ...while having no association with the company? It is a consumer site with consumer info. Not trying to be a dink just wondering what the limits are.
The posters above have a point; what are the protocols for retailers posting info?
BTW, I havent seen any spam from them either. The only extent is if someone asks where they can find a product and go-ride informs that they have it in stock...its just answering a CONSUMER request.
Oh what trouble money makes.... |
| Yeah, I mentioned Go-ride (re: trixxxy below)...... | Duncan
Sep 5, 2001 9:20 AM | | and, coincidentally, I hope, the anti-go-ride post showed up.
Is there a correlation? I think Gregg owes us an explanation.
What are we allowed to CONSUME? |
| so.... | FlipFantasia
Sep 5, 2001 9:18 AM | | to get this straight....answering peoples questions is now considered spam and advertising....you (MTBR) are relly starting to fly off the handle, get a grip man.... |
| When did Scott post an ad? | BigRichDL
Sep 5, 2001 9:25 AM | | Scott rules....way more than this board....Thats for sure.
Peace
Rich
TEam XXL |
| Traced it.... it's Gregg alright... | Erci
Sep 5, 2001 9:28 AM | | how very very lame |
| ATTN: MTBR Users ..., please refrain from posting here... | JPÇ
Sep 5, 2001 9:32 AM | | |
| Typical Gregg attitude....I will post a message then I will not. | BMXman
Sep 5, 2001 9:33 AM | | respond to anyones follow up posts. I hope you are sending this same message to all the people who are recommending Jenson, Camnbria, and all the others who sell stuff on-line. Personally I have never had any problems with go-ride posting they have tons of good advice and info.
How much better would this site be, If you would focus as much of your time and energy in fixing this site as you do in putting up unfounded posts... |
| the new regime is looking like the Taliban... | narlus
Sep 5, 2001 9:33 AM | | can you get more reactionary? geez, take it easy! i just did a short search in the last 300 or so posts and did not find ONE post initiated by scott, selling wares. he did answer a couple of posts from people looking for specific things that they could not otherwise find.
if that's spam, i'd like to see what you consider prime rib. |
| Must be a mistake. That is pretty unfair. | JesusFreak
Sep 5, 2001 9:36 AM | | can't see why go-ride would get that kind of comment. i haven't even seen ANY ads by go-ride, and the guy helps us tremendously. |
| gregg, bite me. Pretty soon, you can take "your" site and shove | Zonic Man
Sep 5, 2001 9:47 AM | | it up your ass. This is beginning to get stupid.
Why don't you start to worry about why your new site sucks so much and how much money your dot commers are losing from poor business decisions/poor business plans than what a person who posts as "go-ride.com"
Face it man, you are wrong. Flat wrong. And if you are not careful, you are going to find yourself out of a job. It is people like you who have killed many promising dot coms. Don't let this fate happen to mtbr.com. DON'T kill this site by you and others managing themselves and this website in an idiotic fashion. MTBR is too good for that. |
| He's one of the reasons this board is/was good. | pyg
Sep 5, 2001 9:54 AM | | Let's say I'm looking for brand X DH bike or DH part. I ask the question on this board. Scott @ go-ride, who sells exactly what I need, isn't allowed to tell me so????
What is this board for then???? Gregg, will you be really in a better position financially if you chase away all your readers???
You have got to seriously re-think your position on the subject. You will eventually loose all your readers.
-pyg- |
| WARNING | Damn True
Sep 5, 2001 10:01 AM | | This site cannot, and will not survive on the backs of the 12 year old kids who post negative comments about pictures in the photo gallery. If you stop what goes on on these pages that will be all that remains.
What will keep this site running is consumerism. Be a tool or forum for people to find and retailers to supply and your site will flourish.
Hint; Find a way to work with retailers and consumers rather than against them.
I'll bet there is a way to make a few $$ in the process. |
| making friends the hard way eh | Soup Nazi
Sep 5, 2001 10:05 AM | | no one likes you Gregg, go away |
| You've got to be kidding! | ssaddict
Sep 5, 2001 10:07 AM | | Why don't you take some time to review all his posts in the Archives, and look at all the accurate information that he provides to all of us. You may want to consider what "WE", your customers think, before you ignorantly piss off people we want posting on this board. |
| The ad was posted this morning and was not signed... | gregg
Sep 5, 2001 10:34 AM | | ...by Scott, but simply by someone as go-ride.com
You do not see it because I removed it. I was alerted to his post by someone else in this forum as an ad. I reviewed the post, and it was an ad, so I deleted it.
Of course we do not block informational posts or helpful people. And if you guys ask someone questions and they reply, that is fine. The post I removed was an ad, pure and simple.
And I'm sure go-ride would not appreciate someone advertising on their site for some other site. The simple fact is, if go-ride would like to advertise on our site, we would love to have them aboard as an advertiser. I think we could both benefit from it. Of course, we would charge them to advertise, just like we charge all of our other advertisers.
Think about this for a minute..."Is it fair to Supergo (who is a paid advertiser on our site) that another company can advertise without paying for it?" No, it is not.
We allow discussions and recommendations for hot deals on bike stuff in our "Where are the Best Deals" forums, regardless of whether the sites recommended are paying MtbREVIEW.com advertisers or not.
-Gregg |
| If true, fair (but harsh). But sounds suspicious... | JesusFreak
Sep 5, 2001 11:01 AM | | seeing as Scott hasn't done this before (to anyone's knowlege), a public slap-down for one offense caught in less than 3 hours seems a bit harsh.
Also, seeing as this seems so out of character for Scott, maybe it wasn't him? Seems strange that this would happen then someone from this board (read:we all love scott) complain to you immediately.
Anyway, we value and respect go-ride, and hope to continue hearing from scott.
ps. hope you survived the pile-on! hehe. |
| Who's the rat? | Munster
Sep 5, 2001 11:27 AM | | It looks like the go-ride site has been updated recently, so the post was probably informing everyone of the update...a questionable "ad". You get one complaint and remove it? What about the rest of the mtbr commmunity that would like to know about the update (myself included)?
Comparing go-ride (a small outfit specializing in DH/dual that carries speciality items) to Supergo (a huge chain selling to all cyclists) is stupid. Supergo probably doesn't even consider go-ride competition since they cater to different markets.
A call or email (both available on the go-ride site) to Scott might have been a better idea than posting here, don't you think. |
| my guess? D8 or Graeme | Nick
Sep 5, 2001 11:47 AM | | I don't know either of them, but both have been two of the more vocal opponents of the Marketplace fee. I believe both were (and there are many) that frequently posted long lists of items for sale and lost a valuable free tool for conducting their business after the switch.
Nick |
| Keep guessing... | DeeEight
Sep 5, 2001 12:10 PM | | I've never been to the go-ride site that I can recall, nor do i particularly care if the guy has ads on his taglines when he posts. Its no different than how speedgoat and kalomtb used to drum up business by having their owners particpate on the forums.
I've also never been afraid to post my complaints using my own name. Why would I start impersonating someone else now? And didn't the guy from go-ride register his name anyways?
I think GWAT is keeping busy on ebay and rec.bicycles.marketplace.
You'll note if you pay ANY attention to the marketplace that the posting volume has cut out 90%, plus NO non-us residents are allowed to post anyways so its not just me and gwat who were affected. Also you might read BT's thread yesterday about Francis (ya know, the OWNER of mtbr) posting his stuff for sale on free sites. This latest act of
oh, shall we say, censorship of posters by the mtbr admins is simply par for the course of the new site. |
| You're an idiot. | ~graeme~
Sep 5, 2001 12:41 PM | | Yes, I am opposed to the $3 marketplace fee. 99.9% of MTBR users are also against the changes. Even if I WANTED to use the marketplace I can't because I'm Canadian (oh, wait, Gregg said that would be fixed within a month......3 weeks and still waiting......does anyone really beleive that one day Canadians and people under 18 and people without credit cards will be able to use the marketplace?......I'll bet my life savings we'll never see the day). Yes, I might have been a little more vocal than others. But if EVRYONE sits back and does nothing, then Gregg and ConsumeReview will get their way. If some other people had a backbone and put up a bigger fight against the changes I'm sure Gregg and MTBR would have rethought some of their decisions. But that was WEEKS ago, I'm over it.
What the hell does that have to do with Greggs post about go-ride.com?? Nothing. I have no problem with ads in the marketplace, I'm all for it. Think about is for a second you dumbass.
You're such a smart loyal MTBR user yet you don't even know that go-ride.com = Scott Crabill (see your other dumb post below: "where and when did Gregg mention Scott at all ??? (NM) Nick Sep-05-01, 12:49 PM"
Go away, we have no use for your ignorant comments.
PS - I wouldn't be surprised if 'go-ride.com' gets on the MTBR censored list. |
| again ... | Nick
Sep 5, 2001 1:22 PM | | where did I ever claim to be "such a smart loyal MTBR user"?
never, nor have I ever supported the new pay to sell program, i think it sucks compared to the old marketpalce, which I used often.
all the bitching you (and others) did after the fees were made a requirement stuck in my memory, my reply was to a post asking "who's the rat" or something to that effect.
it seems you "have no use for my ignorant comments" when they have something to say about you bitching about the fee. All of those rants you posted freely so you should not be surprised that someone remembered.
As far as my other question/post, I challenge you to show me we here Gregg called out Scott, as implied in the post I replied to.
I am not a regular DH forum reader, I didn't know much or anything about go-ride before today.
Read the posts before you lose your temper and reply with such BS. |
| What are you smoking?? | gwat
Sep 5, 2001 2:15 PM | | Ya, I expect EVRYONE remembers the stuff I posted about the new and 'improved' marketplace. I don't care. But again I ask WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS DISCUSSION? Oh I get it, you remember my name from all the rants I posted a month ago, so you figured I must be the rat. Now that REALLY makes sense.
And if you're not a regular DH forum reader, why did you even post in the first place? Trying to defend Gregg (where and when did Gregg mention Scott at all ??? (NM) Nick Sep-05-01, 12:49 PM) but you have NO CLUE what you're talking about. I don't like you, pyg deosn't like you and Keith doesn't like you. I'm sure there are countless other who don't like you. Go back to passion or wherever you came from.
And you're telling me not to loose my temper?? What do you expect? You posted a dumb response to the question 'Who's the rat?', speculating it was me and D8. Get a clue you dumbass. |
| it was just a guess ... | Nick
Sep 5, 2001 2:37 PM | | and as good as guess any.
this is just too much ... I give up.
If ANYONE would have just said "hey nick/dude/dickhead, go-ride is run by one guy, his name is Scott, he's the man and he does it all" without an attack involved I'd have dropped it.
I doubt Scott would treat newcomers to his DH shop in such a manner, then again I don't know him so I can't say. I'd think if he would he wouldn't have such loyal friends and customers here.
I posted looking for the connection between a post addressed to "go-ride" and people upset about "Scott" being called out. You see, if you didn't know who he is it isn't so crystal clear. Get it?
Thanks. |
| Ahem, I was the one who said it'd be a month... | DeeEight
Sep 5, 2001 7:11 PM | | because i seemed to be the only person who thought to email nextag to find out from them directly how long it'd be until they start accepting non-us residents. They told me at least a month.They never said they'd start allowing people under the age of 18 though. |
| So why did you address the post directly to Scott........... | BMXman
Sep 5, 2001 11:32 AM | | if you weren't sure it was him? The way you came off in your post..sounds like you knew it was him for sure. D |
| where and when did Gregg mention Scott at all ??? (NM) | Nick
Sep 5, 2001 11:49 AM | | seriously. |
| Shaddup. Scott IS go-ride.com you idiot! nm | pyg
Sep 5, 2001 12:03 PM | | ok |
| really ? | Nick
Sep 5, 2001 12:22 PM | | and you assume everbody knows this ?
I for one did not know that go-ride is a one man shop completely run by Scott. Judging by the website (which I checked out after reading the now missing post) I'd say that's not the case.
The suspect ad clearly advertised wheel specials and invited the original poster to check out said deals at the website. No two ways about it. Is this wrong? not in my opinion, no. But this isn't my site.
go-ride is a business, and it looks like a good one to boot.
"Scott" is a man.
Idiot? Blow me. |
| You really are an idiot!! | ~graeme~
Sep 5, 2001 12:46 PM | | "go-ride is a one man shop completely run by Scott. Judging by the website (which I checked out after reading the now missing post) I'd say that's not the case"
Hey Nick, go away, we have no use for your ignorant coments. We don't care what you think, but I for one know that go-ride IS a one man shop. |
| if that is the case ... | Nick
Sep 5, 2001 1:35 PM | | then that's surprising to "learn" (operative word).
I'd think it difficult for any one person to run a sizable business without any help. I assume go-ride does a good deal of business, or would you like to correct me on that?
You, on the other hand, seem to be an ass. I'll say nothing about more than this; at very least try to pass along info about a shop, product etc. to the new or less DH savvy in a more tempered way.
jeez |
| Go away already Nick | Keith
Sep 5, 2001 1:50 PM | | if u posted here w/ any regularityy u would know scott is cool. Now go away please |
| another one that doesn't read first ... | Nick
Sep 5, 2001 2:12 PM | | I never said anything derogatory about Scott nor his shop, not a single word. (I can wait for you to look that word up if necessary).
Only after reading THE ORIGINAL POST, since deleted, did I check out the go-ride.com website and see what there was to see, which seems to be a DH specific shop. I can obviously see why his opinions and knowledge are welcomed (even needed) here.
One thing I DID say is that I'm NOT a regular in the DH forum and
didn't know as much as some here see to about Scott's company.
It's amazing how quickly people "jump on the bandwagon" without having any idea what they're commenting on. Feel like one of the gang?
Read, think, reply. |
| Computer...$1000, Internet Connection.....$30,....... | gwat
Sep 5, 2001 2:21 PM | | .....posting dumb stuff on the internet for the world to see....priceless!
Read what you just wrote.
"One thing I DID say is that I'm NOT a regular in the DH forum and
didn't know as much as some here see to about Scott's company."
That's cool if you don't know about Scott. You could have sat back and learned a little, checked out his website FIRST. But you didn't. You posted a few messages on the topic.
Then you wrote "It's amazing how quickly people "jump on the bandwagon" without having any idea what they're commenting on"
Hey wait, you're talking about YOURSELF! You had no clue who Scott/go-ride is, yet you felt the need to post (ignorant) messages about the topic. Jeez, I think I'll stop replying to your messages now, it's not worth my time. |
| nothing on his website ... | Nick
Sep 5, 2001 2:45 PM | | explained to me what someone named Scott had to do with go-ride.com.
That was the jist of my original question, the only thing "ignorant" about it was not knowing who he is.
I did check it out before I posted, I saw the original message about the custom wheels and wanted to learn more.
I stand by the bandwagon opinion. |
| and to clarify, I did not say "don't post here"... | gregg
Sep 5, 2001 10:36 AM | | ...and I did not ban anyone. I am simply asking whoever posted the ad this morning, to refrain from doing so. Period.
-Gregg |
| Gregg, you have missed big on this one.. more | Renny
Sep 5, 2001 10:39 AM | | Scott gives tons of advice to members of this board, and with that advice he sometimes mentions he has what someone needs. That is a whole lot different than posting a for sale add, as some members still do. Gregg, you are beginning to over-manage this forum. |
| AGREEEED! | JAK
Sep 5, 2001 12:02 PM | | the time wasted on 'forum' management can be used to offset the $3 dollar cost. |
| re: ATTN: go-ride, please refrain from posting ads here... | D!CK CABESA
Sep 5, 2001 10:50 AM | | Hello Greg I think you have made a mistake I lurk and post daily and I have never seen GO-RIDE.COM ever place an free add on this board usaully a friend of the board will ask ,hey where can I get a 98 boxxer fork ,then some one replys, I have seen them at GO-RIDE.COM the person usauly 99.9999% is not related to GO-RIDE.COM nor JENSONUSA.COM , they are just happy cutomers,And as usual this site need`s me to logon and give my fricking pass word and yes Itried the guest icon and it still won`t let me use my name Gregg fix the real problems and stop being like politician and pointing fingers FIX THE STUPID THING OR YOUR SITE WILL BE LIKE THAT POS SOCALMTB.COM WHICH BLOWS |
| OMG | Flat
Sep 5, 2001 11:08 AM | | This is total BS.. Scott knows enough not to SPAM the board with his warez... He is the most reputable guy on this board, and I'd even go as far as to say that Scott from www.go-ride.com has the absolute best service on the internet, bar none.
Hopefully this gregg post isn't gregg from MTBR.
Jon! |
| Gregg,...this site SUCKS thanks to you!! | rubrduk
Sep 5, 2001 11:29 AM | | This is gotta be the dumbest trick i have ever seen any one pull in a long time,...i can't wait till you start banning people from this board, all it take is for you to pi$$ off the wrong person and then a couple will leave,...then a couple more and then so on.... Ever since you made the stupid "financial" descision to charge and absurd $3 per ad (which is more than ebay by the way on most typical items,...and at least they let you post for free if you don't sell the first time), and this "pretty" forum,...from a craphics standpoint it looks great,...but now lets see if you can get the sucker to run properly!!! Gimme a break,...you are just dead-set on the demise of this site aren't you,...maybe the roadies will keep you funded! As for me,...i've been spending most of my time over at pinkbike,...a real community for real riders with no political bs and no nazi managers like you gregg
by the way,...thanks for finally doing something about that good-for-nothing go-ride guy,...you know how he is, always posting ads and spamming this site,...dude get a clue, he has never posted an ad on this site and has only offered only the best of advice! but i guess you have ruined that for us all now haven't you? |
| No Ads? Then get that banner off the top! | Pain in the arse
Sep 5, 2001 11:49 AM | | chill! |
| I would like to try to clear the air if its not too late... | go-ride.com
Sep 5, 2001 7:33 PM | | this morning I responded to a poster that asked if anyone had DH wheels available. I responded that go-ride.com stocks built wheels, mentioned a few brands, and asked that the poster call us direct if he or she was interested.
Apparently the post was misunderstood and appeared to be blatant advertisement. I did not mention any pricing, nor did I instigate the post. Sometime today both the original post and my reply were removed from the board. My guess is that the original post was removed first and then it appeared that my post was some type of advertisement.
Later in the afternoon Greg, from MTBR, politely called to inform me of the large negative thread that had been building around the "please refrain from posting ads here..." from MTBR. He was very cool on the phone and we did our best to trace how this all got started. Again, it appears that it was just a big misunderstanding and the crew at MTBR is happy to have go-ride and others like Charlie from Visions and the guys at Stratos, etc., etc,.to add to the community of DH/DS/FR riders.
My only regret is that I did not respond to this thread earlier in an attempt to explain that it was just an error and that MTBR was not trying to run me out or anything like that. The exact opposite may prove to be the case, in that we are trying to find an advertising program that I can afford to participate in. I would really like to sponsor the DH techtalk forum and that may come about in the future.
It seems at this time as MTBR is going through some changes there is some negative sentiment, especially about the marketplace fees. I personally think that in the long run the $3 per ad policy will work out to the benefit of both MTBR and the users. It seemed that some users would post their ads 5 or more times a day, really clogging up the marketplace. Now you can post your add once and know that it will get equal billing until your item is sold. I think this makes it easier for both the sellers and the buyers, but it will take time to get used to. I do hope our Canadian brothers can gain access to the service in the near future.
Greg did ask or even hint that I respond to this thread. I just felt that I should support the crew at MTBR that has provided us with a great service.
Because of my late reply I will post this message in the thread and at the top of the list. I hope that no one is offended by the multiple post.
I would also like to say a big thanks to all the riders that support go-ride and I hope we can continue to provide you will a valued service for years to come.
I'm off to North Star tomorrow, maybe I will see some of you there. I will be there Friday - Sunday with Krispy, Lance Canfield and others filming the 3rd Down video.
Peace,
Scott |
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