|   WHY ARE VANCOUVER OFFICALS... | schwinnson
Nov 4, 2001 2:50 PM | | tearing down all the built stunts on the north shore trails. Whats the reasoning behind it?
just wondering what our world is up too
josh |
| narrow minded bureaucrats | UnabikeR
Nov 4, 2001 3:32 PM | | Not being from Vancouver, I can't say what's happening this very moment but as far as I know only the stunts on Cyprus (West Van) and Swollen Uvulla on Fromme were dismantled back in 2000.
As far as the reasoning behind it - there is really no valid reason. Anyone who thinks even the most poorly built bike trail is a major threat to the environment has thier head up their a$$. Liability is another great scapegoat, funny thing is hikers and other users sue on a much greater scale than bikers (I think the statistics for Mt. Seymour rank bikers right up there with mushroom pickers for liability risk). The real reason is that most people who are in a position to decide what's allowed on PUBLIC land are selfish, passive-lifestyle-leading, narrow-minded bureaucrats.
This past summer the stunts on all my trails were chainsawed and I was even threatened with arrest. All because the "land manager" of the area is a hunter and he thinks hunting is the only legitimate activity for the area. I have nothing against hunting (or golfing, horseback riding or hiking), but the sad fact of the matter is that the people who are in power don't ride. They don't understand us and they want us to go away. It seems that "public land" is only for certain members of the public. |
| re: WHY ARE VANCOUVER OFFICALS... | schwinnson
Nov 4, 2001 4:34 PM | | Could i maybe get a few more imputs, this is for a english paper, and its due tomorrow or tuesday and i havent really started |
| re: WHY ARE VANCOUVER OFFICALS... | Wannabe
Nov 5, 2001 8:43 AM | | They posse a liability to the land managers/resource agency if someone gets hurt. The stunts were not built by them, and if someone got hurt they'd get seriously sued.
Please dont jepordize the trail access of others.... |
| Liability | UnabikeR
Nov 5, 2001 2:36 PM | | As far as I know, no one has ever successfully sued a government agency because they were injured while riding on a ladder bridge. I agree that it IS a possibility that such a suit could be successful, but I also think this whole stunt-chainsawing mentallity is just another sad reflection of the herd that society has become. This situation HAS GOT TO CHANGE and it's not gonna change because a certain group of bikers choose "not to jeopardise trail access for others" and ride only on safe, politically correct "bike paths". Maybe instead of wasting time destroying stunts, politicians should be trying to eliminate laws that only serve to protect the weak and stupid.
Any law wich allows some moron to get rich because he can't ride a log is an unjust law. I personally make it a piont to disobey unjust laws. Going with the flow and doing things the "right " way only serves to perpetuate this stupidity. I'm sorry if I'm jeopardising your trail access, but to tell people like me that we should be happy to ride on "normal" trails is like telling an XC trail rider that he should be happy riding on the road. |
| Saving ourselve's from ourselves.... | Wannabe
Nov 6, 2001 7:47 AM | | Just because you haven't heard, or some one has'nt sued the land owner in the area your referring to doe'snt mean it cant happen. The land mananger has to take the probibility of a suit happening as a serious matter. The agency i work for, and other land oriented agencie's get sued for injuries occuring on property within their jurisdiction. Council usually find's it easy to sue on the ground's of lack of maintenance, safety issues, resource degradation, species endangerment, and the best one atractive nuisance, which is a totally pathetic concept.
Court case's based on the above referred to criteria do exist. This is because the grounds for the "victim" (dont even get me started on this one) to sue land managers is set in presidence from past case's. yand have exisited.
AS long as our court system redefines the "victim" in it's rulings and promote's a void of self responsibility amoungest individuals, we will have case's like this. If you want to take it opon your self to disobey what you term "unjust" laws, well thats personal. But, be willing to take self responsibility for your actions should you end up in jail or asked to pay a fine. Just, please dont jepordize the access of other's with your actions. |
| You are uninformed.... | CraigH
Nov 5, 2001 12:28 PM | | They are not tearing down "ALL" of the stunts. The magazine articles that have been published are incorrect.
For some info, check out the North Shore Mountain Biking Association website here:
http://www.nsmba.bc.ca/
CraigH (NSMBA member) |
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