|   5" fork on a Joker?? | shaun
Nov 6, 2001 8:51 AM | | Broke the little sc superlite frame and need something beefier. Probably going to buy a joker. Just got married though so cash is tight, dont want to replace the fork as well. How will a five inch fork affect the feel. Lots of technical riding here in Victoria both up and down.
thnxs |
| should be fine | narlus
Nov 6, 2001 9:49 AM | | i've ridden a joker w/ a supernova (not quite 5" of travel, but probably a taller than most fork due to the crown/axle length) and one w/ a '00 jr T, and they both felt fine. i've got mine w/ an '01 jr T, so it's a bit slacker than the others; the slightly steeper feel of the bike w/ the 5" jr T made it climb a lot better. i think you won't have any problems w/ it. |
| should be fine | shaun
Nov 6, 2001 10:17 AM | | Did the difference in geometery make much of a difference with drops?? |
| didn't spend that much time on them | narlus
Nov 6, 2001 11:07 AM | | and didn't do any drops, so i can't really say. the owners of the two bikes i tried scan this board. try paging either Erci (he is the one w/ the '00 jr T) or Ocron (he had the supernova, now has a '01 super T on it) and see what they have to say. |
| Demo'd 2 different Jokers.... | CraigH
Nov 6, 2001 11:33 AM | | One with a 5" 2001 Psylo & the other with a 5" Stratos FR-4. Both worked fine. I didn't like the Psylo though.
If you broke a Superlight, will SC allow you to do the crash replacement to change from a Superlight to a Bullit? (You would still have to buy a new rear shock.) Might be a cheaper option if they will let you do it. |
| d'oh! i forgot about my FR5 | narlus
Nov 6, 2001 11:38 AM | | thanks for reminding me, craig.
I did ride that bike w/ the 5" fork for a couple of months before the fork broke. drops were not a problem. |
| LOL! Getting old or too many crashes? J/K! (nm) | CraigH
Nov 6, 2001 11:49 AM | | nm |
| the joker is designed for 4"-6" | JCP
Nov 6, 2001 12:41 PM | | |
| the joker is designed for 4"-6" | shaun
Nov 6, 2001 12:54 PM | | My lbs is finding out if I can upgrade thru sc to a bullit.... but... I keep reading about how bullits pedal quite different than superlites(pivot placement) and tend to bob when climbing out of the saddle. Most of the reviews i've seen say the opposite about the AEONS. Not sure how this is possbile for two such similar bikes. As there arent any shops stocking jokers here all I really have to go on is rider input from the masses.
Any ideas on this age old debate??????? |
| i'd chalk it up to marketing BS | narlus
Nov 6, 2001 1:38 PM | | wrt to the joker pedalling better than the bullit. take a look at each bike; you are exactly right that the pivot location is pretty freakin' similar. i haven't spent much time on a bullit but have plenty of friends who love 'em.
any 6" rear travel bike is going to bob if you pedal out of the saddle, unless you are running an ungodly heavy spring rate and won't get much travel out of it unless you're dropping big. |
| The pivot placement is the key | MartinS
Nov 6, 2001 8:39 PM | | I own a Joker and have ridden bullits quite a bit and there is a difference, the Jokers pivot is lower and more in line with the middle chainring. This being said the 2002 Bullits are supposed to have lowered thier pivots as well. The ride of the Joker is more firm, whereas (up to the 2002 model) the bullits are more DH oriented, being cushier. Both are great bikes but definitely different. |
| I've had both... | Ocron
Nov 6, 2001 1:24 PM | | I had a SuperNova on my Joker for the past 10 months. Like narlus said though, the SuperNova has a pretty long axle to crown length compared to a Z1 for instance. Now I've got a 6" Super T on it. For the slow speed technical stuff and general trail riding I like the SuperNova better. Some of that has to do with the steeper head angle (it's *really* slack with the Super T), some has to do with the fact that the SuperNova is such a great fork. The Super T soaks up the big drops much better though, and the added stiffness is noticeable on rocky downhills. The perfect fork for the bike would a combination of the 2, but that doesn't exist. |
| I have a Joker with a 5" Z1 CR | DirtKing
Nov 6, 2001 3:03 PM | | And have found that for all around trail riding this is the set up. The bike does have some pedal induced bob, but it really is not that bad. I would compare it's climbing ability to your old Superlight (I have ridden one of those in Downieville). I also put a 01 Jr. on it for a while and didn't like the way that it climbed (tire would lift), plus I kept banging my knees when the climbing steeps. The Z1 keeps the bike light also, mine is coming in at around 27-28 pounds (no disks yet). |
| 27 lb Joker? build spec, please. | gonzostrike
Nov 8, 2001 8:55 AM | | I'm having a hard time believing this, but of course it's possible given the right parts.
would you mind sharing your parts spec? |
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