|   Why no minorities? | Sagebrush
Dec 9, 2001 6:42 AM | | I'm curious folks... Why doesn't our sport attract more "ethnic minorities"?
I've been riding for quite a long time now, and dang if I haven't seen any non-whites apart from the Japs (but they dont count cuz they've been 'honorary whites' even during apartheid).
It's not like it's any less fun than any other sport... I don't get it. |
| Because... | Lando Griffon
Dec 9, 2001 7:21 AM | | ...they still have to meet all the same criteria, and pay the same price (except Indians) for the ride. I wish my grandparents sold all of their property for trinkets, that way I wouldn't have to pay tax on my bikes today. Unlike Police and the Military who lower the standards so ethic miorities can pass as well, and the Fire Dept. (In Ottawa) who passed minorities who actually failed the course, in order to meet their quota! Imagine burning to death because some Ethnic minority didn't know how to work the hose! Sheesh. If they want to ride, feel free. Is their a reason to attract them? Not in my opinion. |
| Dont paraphrase American History X | Nh dude
Dec 9, 2001 10:40 AM | | nm |
| to busy working(nm) | knowone
Dec 9, 2001 10:23 AM | | nm |
| because of racist pigs like you! nm | embarrased to read this
Dec 9, 2001 12:21 PM | | |
| because of racist pigs like you! nm | SageBrush
Dec 9, 2001 5:16 PM | | Well freaking hell, it was only a question. And Japs - we can't call the English the Brits? The English can't all the Australians Aussies?
Sheesh. Talk about hypersensitive.
I'm geniunely puzzled that the sport is overwhelmingly white. I don't think the expensive sport thing mentioned by other people are valid - you can get a workable freeride rig for a thousand dollars or less nowadays, and I'm sure most of us started out of crappy riders, right? You didn't suddenly hop onto a Super 8 as your first bike, did you?
I don't live in the US although I'm familiar with the scene there and it seems to me that sizeable numbers of minorities don't participate in freeriding / dhing in Europe *or* the States.
So once again the question - what gives? What's unattractive about DH/freeride? |
| It's the PC society. | TNC
Dec 9, 2001 5:44 PM | | It's probably your "Jap" comment that caused the most shock. I'm white and my most frequent riding buddy is part Japanese. I call him a Jap frequently, and he makes similar comments about my background and character. We are friends, though, so it's not really making a social comment about a race in general. People are so conditioned to react with horror and dismay when any such comment is made no matter what the context. Many of us often refer to Japanese as Japs in conversational settings, but it doesn't detract from my respect about the many aspects of their character and achievements. Maybe we shouldn't be so touchy about every word we hear. Maybe we should be more concerned about the apparent motive and content of what is said. Anyway, your observation about the "ethnic profile" of most of the MTB world is probably right. But I don't really know what the real reason is either. One thing I do know--the more the merrier. I'll ride with just about anyone who wants to ride. |
| because of racist pigs like you! nm | 5150
Dec 9, 2001 9:58 PM | | OK..there are many reasons. One reason is that the sport of DH is very new, and most people (white and nonwhite) have never heard of it. They don't really show any DH in the media. Also, sport of DH was started in the white community... so right now, in the beginning stages, it's going to be mostly white. You can compare to golf. Golf what started by whites...so white people are going to be more attracted to it. ...until Tiger Woods came along, and more minorities are more interested in it and they feel more like they can participate. If DH keeps growning, the in time, I'm sure there will be more minorities. .. Listen...maybe you didn't have any bad intension or whatever, but the way you wrote those words is just wrong. That's why people are saying words like "ignorant" .. Ignorance in not an excuse. You should not be so surprised that people are getting so pissed off. |
| a couple of reasons: | ohio
Dec 10, 2001 10:20 AM | | The first issue is money. "A workable freeride for less than $1000." ???
Last time I checked, $1000 is a sizable chunk of change. Not many people can blow a grand (that most banks won't finance like a car) on a toy. Especially young kids who would be the ones to freeride. I have a real job and a salary considerably higher than most workers in the city, and I find the cost of a FS bike (that won't break every ride) prohibitive, not to mention the costs of clothing, protective gear, maintenance, tools, etc.
Second, access to riding areas. The non-white population is heavily concentrated in urban areas, and doesn't grow up with summer camp, backpacking, and trail riding. There is urban riding, and because of that, a lot of kids in my city (Boston) get into BMX when they can scrape together a couple hundred bucks. That being said, a black kid can't skateboard down the street without being stopped by the cops. What're they going to do if they see the kid doing 6 ft stairdrops in front of maplewood retirement home? So if kids get into riding for more than transportation, it's usually BMX/skateboard/roller-blade freestyle type stuff, which is cheaper and more accessable. And if you look at those pro-circuits, you'll see more non-white competitors (though still predominantly white).
It's a good question (though I think the answers a pretty obvious), and I don't think you're a racist for asking it. However the problem is a lot bigger than just our sport... And you should watch the Jap comment. It's not comparable to "Brit" or "Aussie", in that it was a derogatory term coined during a war to describe people we americans thought we hated. Along the same lines as "gooks" to describe vietnamese. |
| a couple of reasons: | martylane
Dec 10, 2001 10:47 AM | | I think Ohiomarco is probably a deigo.
Just my $0.02 |
| Wrong..... | Gutty
Dec 10, 2001 5:05 PM | | I'm proud to be an Aussie. That is what we call ourselves here in Australia. Don't want to get into this thread, just letting you know that we don't mind being called Aussies. |
| Well I'm a brutha...and I'm riding | The Big Bomber
Feb 20, 2002 10:54 PM | | hard and fast... I race but mostly freeride cuz there are no rules or boundaries...I am trying to get some other people in the sport who are minorites (my boy Kujo - hispanic) is in now... All because of my influence. 6 months ago he was on a 1990 GT hardtail. Today he's on a FOES DHS Tube and took 3rd place in his first downhill...
It's like a slow process but I'm trying to represent...
Peace...
If you want to know more, check my post on Feb 18th called "How Much Better Does It Get" - there are some pix of my bike and one of me riding... |
| expensive sport | Dog breath wasteland racer
Dec 9, 2001 2:03 PM | | You have to be brought up in some type of bike culture to justify paying top dollars of bikes and equipment. Look at other sports, sky diving, rock climbing, 4 wheel driving, hunting....
got to pay if you want to play. Maybe some of those guys don't have that kind of money. Whats your point anyway. Who cares.... |
| I'm one! | Daniel Miller
Dec 9, 2001 3:14 PM | | I'm a minority! and love it...I love to ride. in fact, up here in Alaska I ride with my two other buddies (one is white and the other part native). we chill all the time. I wouldn't know why some enthic groups don't particapate more..but here is pic that should help the balance abit |
| pic | Daniel Miller
Dec 9, 2001 3:17 PM | | here is the pic... |
| LOOK....he's getting ready to steal the rig!!!!!!!!!!!nm | yumyum
Dec 10, 2001 9:31 AM | | |
| F@cking loser. | Gutty
Dec 12, 2001 4:38 PM | | b |
| LOOK....he's getting ready to steal the rig!!!!!!!!!!!nm | The Big Bomber
Feb 20, 2002 10:58 PM | | actually he paid cash for it... And all the upgrades... |
| ass | PEET
Dec 9, 2001 3:51 PM | | i don't think that the term "japs" was appropraite at all, even if you were just taking it from a line in a movie. have some freaking decency. |
| seriously | spyguy
Dec 9, 2001 9:32 PM | | seriously for gawd sake' |
| cause... | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 4:17 PM | | One, it takes a lot more money then other sports. You can only have so much fun on a Pacific piece of shit. Two, I guess you could feel intimidated if there's no one else like you riding, but then again, this is a loner sport. Three, I bet you the same thing is being said all over the world. North America's predominately white, therefore, you'd see more caucasions riding bikes then say, American Indians. Samething would apply in Asia. In Asia, there's more Asians riding bikes then any other race. It's all relative to where you are.
Frankly, I think people are just genuine pussies, especially Asians. You don't see too many Asians riding around, probably because if they get hurt, their mommies would yell at them :) |
| The ugly side of DH rears it's head... | 5150
Dec 9, 2001 4:39 PM | | I'm not even going to say all the things that I'm thinking. You guys are only making yourself look stupid by saying those things. I hope people don't think all DH riders are so ignorant... cause most people I've met are not and are real cool. |
| how many asians do you know? | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 7:20 PM | | it all comes down to how much money you're willing to spend and how big your balls are. god, there must be a lot more tree-huggers on this board than i thought. |
| Um..I am asian ... | 5150
Dec 9, 2001 11:09 PM | | I am Korean American. So yes, I know many asians. You goto UCSD, so It take it that you are 19-20 years old. You got a lot to learn kid. I know what it's like at UC's and I know how asians can seem like. Not evey asian is like that in the real world. You should come live in SF, Bay Area for a few years. The new census states that it's like 40% asians up here. Come check out how diverse asians can be. Listen, it seems like to me that you had no bad intensions and stuff but you gotta stop talking like you know what's up. Just because you know a few asians at your school, does not mean you know how asians are like in general. Look at all the white people in The Jerry Springer show.... they are all idiots, but I'm not gonna generalize and say all white people are like that. There are all types of people in every race!! ...and another thing. I hope you don't call all asians, japs ,and think japanese, korean, chinese, filipino, ect are all the same. |
| .... | ibismojo
Dec 10, 2001 2:13 AM | | Well if you were to disqualify me as someone who doesn't know asians because I only go to UCSD and therefore my exposure to the asian population is somewhat limited, then you too can be discredited as someone who isn't in any position to tell me that I don't know asians because of your limited exposure to asians in the bay area. I mean, have you met asians in japan, china, vietnma, cambodia..etc? Well if you have, then my argument just goes out the window. In any case, we can go back and forth as to how much either of us know asians.
I really don't act like I know what's up. I'd usually take that middle-of-the-road kind of attitude. It just gets really monotonous and boring if someone doesn't take a side. No ones going to be right cause there will always be exceptions. But the whole point is to argue generalization. Some people don't want to do and would rather ignore the whole thing altogether...how's that for ignorance? "Let's just not talk about any of this or anything related to it..."
I wouldn't call a japanese person a jap, that just doesn't make any sense. And I don't think japanese/korean/chinese/etc...all act the same. They all act quite differently and all are annoying in their own way. Ever been around korean girls and their friends? Can you honestly tell me that they don't sound like a hundred people when they talk? |
| oh please!~... | 5150
Dec 10, 2001 11:31 AM | | Dude...I'm 27, I grew up in So Cali, I've moved from places to place more than most people. I've been to Los Angeles, orange county,florida, texas, utah, new york, tennessee and korea. But living in Los Angeles and Bay Area says alot. Those are the most racially and culturially diverse place in the USA. San Diego is mostly whites. Anyways, your argument about talking about generalization is lame. That is the point...YOU SHOULD NOT GENERALIZE!!!. And like I said before, yes korean girls can be annoying and chinese, japanese and others can be annoying, but so you whites and blacks and others just the same. You know what?..i've met plenty of lame annoying white people... Accually there are a lot. But so what?...there many cool whites too, just was there are cool asians too. DO NOT GENERALIZE!!..and then wonder why people get so pissed!! ...if you honestly just want to talk about the issue, then do it in an intelegent way. Don't use deregulatory terms and then expect it to be OK. |
| deregulatory term? | ibismojo
Dec 10, 2001 1:18 PM | | what the hell do you mean by that. look man, don't think you're all that cause you're ripping on me. and somehow that puts you way above their on this grand pecking order. and why the hell are you telling me not to generalize. how else are you suppose to argue this topic? an individual basis?
the guy had a valid question. it was a valid generalization. you can't blame the guy for not being able to travel all over the world, let alone his own country and see that there are more than just white folks riding bikes. what the hell was wrong with that generalization. like i said, it's all relative to where you are, so we'll leave it at that. |
| hey bitch... | Keith
Dec 9, 2001 8:15 PM | | i've chinese and 19 years old and have been mtbing since i was 9. I think i'm a pretty decent dher. DON"T say that shit about asians being pussies. Alot of my mtbing friends are asian and probably can beat the shit out of you on the trail. If you got a problem with that, my name is Keith Yuen and i go to UCSD and you can find my ass and kick it.
I don't blame asians for not being into mountainbiking that much. I guess they are all into import racing and shit which is a way more expensive hobby than mountain biking. And i don't blame em for being turned off by all this racisim in the sport too by especially ppl like you. Frankly, i don't give a damn with whomever i ride with, as long as they are fun to be around.
THe sport is kind of like target shooting. Not alot of asians or minorities go on the weekends with guns and go target practice. But i've been doing this sport for years and just love it no matter which race is dominant.
I say just frickin ride and stop with all the racist bs. |
| UCSD? I take my comment back on Asians being pussies.... | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 8:41 PM | | cool. Why aren't you on the Mountain Biking Team? We need more riders. I didn't call every Asian a pussy. I was merely making an generalization. Of course there will be exception. Look at the population of Asians at UCSD. There's about a dozen or so who actually ride. Half of them are probably on the cycling team.
I'll take my comment back on Asians being pussies. Some of them are flat out f*ckin' crazy. Maybe they don't show it on bikes, but sometimes they seem to lack a conscience for self-preservation. |
| you go there? | Keith
Dec 9, 2001 8:54 PM | | yeah i'm a frosh there...yess finally finals are over. I guess i was too busy to sign up for the team this quarter and i was doing IM basketball too. Maybe i'll get around to it next quarter. I only brought my XC bike to school so no Dh for me. sux :( |
| you go there? | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 8:57 PM | | yup, were not doing anything right now. Next quarter, we're going to rent the BMX track. It's a lot of fun, and It'll just be the UCSD team doing the jumps. You might have seen us around riding on campus. |
| you go there? | Keith
Dec 9, 2001 9:02 PM | | man, wish i could go with u guys, but my mommy wants to see her tuition payments get good grades. Thats why i can't take my bike down. Are you one of the guys with the bullits riding around doing urban? I'm at warren by the way |
| the dude with the bullit | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 9:24 PM | | He's Ivan aka mudanoman (look at the bay urban freeriding thread). Then there's another guy on a KHS LT3, he's Marcus (sometimes rides his SC Super 8). The guy with the RM Oxygen, that's Jesse. The dude with the GF Sugar, that's Jon. The guy with the yellow and red painted bike, that's Chris, though he's no longer the guy with the yellow and red painted bike cause some f*ck stole it. I was the guy with the yellow schwinn. Hmm...oh, the guy with the Azonid DS frame and white psylo, that's Tomas, our mechanic. The guy with the Raleigh M800, black full suspension with grey psylo, that's Garo, but he'll be riding a foes fly shortly. Any others...hmm....oh yeah, Taco, aka Mike, he has the Specialized FSR with the red manitou.
god damn, i hate it when asian parents put all this burden on you for going to college. you get ridiculed as a worthless dumbass if you choose not to go. and if you do go, they want to pay for it. and when they pay for it, they want good grades or they're not going to pay for it. and if you don't accept their financial help, you're as good as dead to them, well maybe not for all. sometimes it sucks, or maybe it's just me. |
| cause... | stnkdnny
Dec 9, 2001 9:03 PM | | your wrong on that one...the "white" population is in the physical minority. unfortunatly they are still considered the "majority" . over 50% of the world's population is NOT "white". |
| white being in the united states....god damn...... | ibismojo
Dec 10, 2001 2:19 AM | | I think we're talking about the population in North America, not the entire world. |
| you ignorant bastard | Ozzer
Dec 9, 2001 9:31 PM | | Dear Empty Coor Lights Poster, Ibismojo
I have been trying to shut my trap but your post is just screaming attention as you probably subconsciously intended it to be. I'm asian and eventhough I'm a little irrated but not overtly offended by your post, it's still flat out annoying. That's your prerogative to post..but..
I better hope you retract this fuxking piece of sh*t of deragatory reasoning you made about asians. I'm from San Diego and this place ain't that big. I have asian friends who for the most parts are intermediate riders/racer and may not have the cojones to huck like your Bullit brethens. But they sure have the fuxking heart. Just keep it real man, for christ's sake. we all went to school for post-segregation education at one time. don't be too obvious when you're being dumb..be sly and charming atleast.
Ozzer |
| coors light? that's pretty nasty.... | ibismojo
Dec 10, 2001 2:25 AM | | I'm arguing person to person. Actually, I have no idea what you're talking about.
God damn, why do you people take these posts so f*ckin' personally. Jesus. We're merely discussing a topic which happens to have bit the ass out of a lot people.
Everyone here, except for a couple, have all seem to have some sort of self-righteous feeling of tearing me apart. Why not leave me alone and say something about the issue at hand. And I did take back the comment on Asians being pussies. So now those f*ckin' bastards can't call me a racist...however the f*ck that got started. |
| right. taking it back make sit okay... (nm) | ohio
Dec 10, 2001 10:28 AM | | |
| oh, so once a racist always a racist....? | ibismojo
Dec 10, 2001 1:21 PM | | well f*ck you then. now ask yourself why the f*ck there's a lot more racist in this world, dipshit. |
| re: Why no minorities? | Jeff G.
Dec 9, 2001 4:43 PM | | First of all I'd like to point out the fact that there are a lot of ignorant MFers on this board. "JAP"....you've got to be kidding me. Guess what..minorities have money too, and I'm one of them. Some sports just don't attract or appeal to certain races such as hockey. How many black guys do you see on the ice or even skiing for that matter. Turn on a basketball game and check out the black to white ratio. In my opinion it's just a sport that doesn't appeal to the other races for whatever reason, and it has absolutly nothing to do with minorities being poor. Peace |
| and futhermore, their "culture" doesn't accept it very well | Jm
Dec 9, 2001 7:27 PM | | when you get to the "extremists" often time they want to discourage minorities from participating in sports that are dominated by one racial group, but most people I DH with and ride with are not racists and generally accepting people. It is the urban culture(and variations) that exclude our kinds of sports. |
| holy f*ckin shit, which closet have you been living in???? | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 7:32 PM | | WTF are you talking about how some sport don't appeal to minorities because of money?????????????????? That has got to be the most IGNORANT thing I have ever f*ckin' read. There IS a reason why black people do not play hockey, golf, polo, or etc...the majority of them are not as well off as anyone else. These sport cost money, and quite a bit of it too. You have got to be bullshiting me to tell me that there are as many rich black guys as there are white. That's not to say that rich black guys don't exist, or rich mexicans, rich asians, rich indians etc....
God damn, "appeal"???? Jesus Christ what a weak f*ckin' argument. How can you argue subjectively when there are so many factors that inhibit minorities to take on a sport.
Look at SAT scores. White kids do a hell of a lot better than minorities do. Is this to say that the White kids are smarter than the minorities? Some may be...but a majority of the White kids have money to properly prepare for the exam. That cost money. Review courses like the Princeton, Kaplan, etc...cost about $1400. $1400 gets you a decent SAT score to get you into a decent college. How many minorities have $1400 to prepare for a $30 test????? Don't f*ckin' tell me a lot of them do. If they do...how come they're not doing as well as the White kids? That's right, they're not doing as well cause they're ill prepared. And they're ill prepared cause they can't afford to prepare their kids. Bottom f*ckin' line you stupid f*ck. |
| money to properly prepare for the SAT? what closet are you from | Jm
Dec 9, 2001 7:47 PM | | what kind of bullshit is that? neither me nor any of my "average" white friends had some magic money to use to buy materials to study with or whatever. You assume that everyone does?
Minorities are minorities, this sounds like a hard concept to you, that means that when looking at "rich" or "well off" people they are still going to be the minority, if they weren't there would be something wrong.
I agree, they are not well prepared, but you can only blame *as chris rock says;* "The White Man" so much. As a kid that got pretty much average grades in highschool, joined the army to get college money, and now in a university pulling straight A's-not because of some helping hand, I dont want to hear that crap, cause that is mostly what it is. If you are going to come up with blame, you blame the places where they live(where there is not a lot of money for the public school system) and you blame the parents for not caring enough to make sure their kids do well in school. |
| i'm not putting the blame on anyone....... | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 8:27 PM | | in the end, it's up to you to decide what you want to do. And you shouldn't rely on things like AA, to get what you want. I'm just making a generalization that minorities don't have the resources they need which could explain why we see very FEW minorities for certain sports, ie mountain biking.
That's great that you got to where you were all by yourself. That's a feat of its own which few very few kids in america, white/black/mexican/asian/female/fat/ugly/whatever...can pull off. Some people thing society needs to aid the minorities with things like AA etc... I'd say fine, but that aid had better produce good results to help better society. Cause like the previous post said, I don't want some idiot who failed a fire dept course coming to my aid. It's the same idea with that one Demi Moore movie, should, if ever, a woman have the same standards to be judge upon when trying out for the SEALS? Yes.
As for the SAT's, I don't know where you grown up, but SAT preparation is a f*ckin' huge commodity, especially in rich suburbia's where some high schools make Public Colleges look pitiful. The SAT example was mainly directed at highly competitive colleges, ie Ivy Leagues, and well reputed Public Schools, ie University of Michigan, University of California Berkley, Los Angeles, San Diego, etc... They do matter, and matter a lot. You'd be amazed what some kids, or should I say parents, will do to get into these schools. |
| wow... | $eth
Dec 10, 2001 8:09 AM | | "I'm just making a generalization that minorities don't have the resources they need which could explain why we see very FEW minorities for certain sports, ie mountain biking. "
your obviously an idiot with really really dumb arguements (if you even wanna call this crap an arguement). Your living in the PAST, wake up |
| what exactly is wrong with that comment? | ibismojo
Dec 10, 2001 1:23 PM | | do you honestly mean to tell me that minorites in the united states have every equal opportunity to do whichever sport as anyone else regardless of any shortcoming???????????? in case if you haven't noticed, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. i don't know exactly which fantasy whole you're living in. |
| speak for yourself...NOT ME! | stnkdnny
Dec 9, 2001 8:57 PM | | i agree that lack of money for education can and does contribute to a lack of "properly" prepared students. but tell me, a black male who has worked his ass off at getting his MBA coming from the southside of chicago, why our government hasn't taken the time and OUR plentiful resources to correct the problem? people seem to think that minorities aren't able to "fund" their education any further than what's offered them. when there isn't enough funding from our government to properly teach and keep kids interested in THIER EDUCATION,pushing the envelope any more than need be, the stereotype of not being able to "fund" ourselves emerges. i know, i lived it. i still race and ride. if you dont like it kiss my BLACK ass!!! |
| speak for yourself...NOT ME! | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 9:01 PM | | that's great. now go tell that to those who were in your situation. we're not the problem. there will always be dumbass/ignorant/hateful dicks. but others who lived like you might not believe it's possible. |
| i try... everyday | stnkdnny
Dec 9, 2001 9:18 PM | | quit "generalizing" man, that is the basis of racisim, its the same thing just PC'd to "seem" ok to you. you generalize about this, i can generalize about that, and a lie is still a lie. I have been an intergral parts of progarms that have brought cycling and other sports to "inner city" kids. but the funds aren't there, most organizations are non-profit, donation based, with little or no help from the gov't. if i'm donig something, whyaren't you? you say your in it for the love of the sport. oh btw, just what exactly do you ride and where did you grow up riding? not many mtns in my old hood... |
| your playing with a double edge sword.... | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 9:40 PM | | Generalization isn't he basis for racism, more or less stereotyping or prejudice. People throw around the word "racism" like they do with "love".
I grew up in a white-bread town. Nothing wrong with the people there. They were a humble grew of people who were very mellow and easy going. Kinda like the working class but a bit above middle class America. It was all in all a good place, till it got ran over with commecialism. Good god, I saw that town dig a hole to hell. It was sad. Starbucks drinking, SUV driving yuppies started running the place over. When all this happened, gone were the fireroads and what little singletrack was left of the place.
It's funny. BMX/Motocross is ok for kids, but mountain bike...nope. Out of the quesion. Either too much money or somehow too dangerous. Frankly, I think mountain biking is a lot safer than road cycling. In mountain biking, if you get injured, it's your own doing. You didn't have to take that huge jump or that really hard trail. Then there are the times when equipment fails. But that usually go hand in hand as to what you were doing. In road cycling, you could do everything you can to ride safely, until that drunk f*ck comes up behind you at 60 mph. That's probably my only reason not to do Road Cycling. I guess all I'm trying to say is that it's hard to get kids or anyone else to realize what fun riding is. Either you have to show them a back flip going down the street at 50 mph or bail doing a back flip going 50 down the street.
Now I'm at school in san diego...and in the event we do get people to ride, they fall or get hurt sorta badly. That shakes them up, and sometimes it's enough to steer them away from the sport. |
| speak for yourself...NOT ME! | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 9:05 PM | | that's great. now go tell that to those who were in your situation. we're not the problem. there will always be dumbass/ignorant/hateful dicks. but others who lived like you might not believe it's possible. |
| holy f*ckin shit, which closet have you been living in???? | Jeff G.
Dec 9, 2001 9:25 PM | | I'm not even going to reply to your back woods racist post, just be glad that I don't know where you live you piece of sh!t. As a matter of fact I'd LOVE to get knee deep in your punk ass, and beat you down USMC style. F@CkIN PIG!!! |
| have you read all the posts?...........nm | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 9:43 PM | | |
| you can do that, but I will have to | Jm
Dec 9, 2001 9:46 PM | | beat his ass down Army style
SGT Jm (former) |
| Why don't RedNecks drive cars that were made in the last 5 years | Collins
Dec 9, 2001 5:21 PM | | Why is there always some JackAss trying to start trouble? |
| i don't think he meant to start trouble....nm | ibismojo
Dec 10, 2001 2:14 AM | | |
| I'm a minority and i ride..... | ya'll stupid f|_|cks
Dec 9, 2001 6:12 PM | | a$$ho!es, stop b!tch!ng and go ride....oh yeah minorities are cheap...poor, sh!t like that, i free ride and ride trials, oh yeah theres a pix of my bike also....i bet i ride better than ya racist f|_|cks.... |
| bikes painted white kick ass..... | ibismojo
Dec 10, 2001 2:15 AM | | Saw a Schwinn Straight 8 painted white with the lettering in chrome. Looked dope. |
| its in the numbers... | zedro
Dec 9, 2001 7:30 PM | | take the percentage of DHers and mix with the percentage of races and importantly geographical location; i'm pretty sure it all remains relative.
Culture could play a role too; however i wouldnt know since a lack it. |
| lack culture? doubt it......... | ibismojo
Dec 10, 2001 2:17 AM | | American's don't lack culture. We have a very unique culture. Our culture may not be as rich as say Europe's or Asia's, but it's still unique. |
| uhh...im canadian...and i was just being cynical :) | zedro
Dec 10, 2001 7:37 AM | | you know, in that dopey GenX sorta way |
| you mean like women? I have no idea.... | Jm
Dec 9, 2001 7:31 PM | | cause with something around 1 female dher per 100-500 riders, if that aint a minority i don't know what is.... |
| Here's a half-chink North Shore local | Mr. Bungle
Dec 9, 2001 7:35 PM | | Where does your cracker-ass live? Utah? The Dirty South? I'm half slanty-eyed yellow and half small-town white trash and I see lots of other minority types killing it on the Shore. Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with living here in North America. Crazy as it may sound, I bet if you went to Japan, you'd see mostly Japanese cats, not many crackers such as yourself. Keep having fun with them stereotypes. |
| haha....nm | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 7:43 PM | | |
| Mr. Bungle rules | Jm
Dec 9, 2001 9:53 PM | | and so does Faith No More |
| What is your point ?????????????????? | "shocktower"
Dec 9, 2001 9:21 PM | | That is the stupidest dumbfvcked post I have ever seen ,Now since I have read it ,go kill your self jackass |
| re: Why no minorities? | SoCalNIP
Dec 9, 2001 9:38 PM | | Come out to southern Cali and ride, there are plenty of Nips, Japs, Chinks and Gooks riding the trails...I know, because I'm one of them.
Hell, I've even seen (and ride with) Spicks, Niggers and Coons!!!
You dumbass Crackers with the white cone-caps from the midwest or south would probably have a heart attack if you saw my past riding group coming down a trail...
2-Chinks
1-Nigger
4-Crackers
Handful of-Half breed muts
This thread would have to go down as one of the most lame-worthy of all time I have taken part of. Probably started by some dumbass Wonder bread.
Nuff said. |
| that really wan't necessary, but amusing...........nm | ibismojo
Dec 9, 2001 9:44 PM | | |
| Wonderbread!!!!! | Dog breath wasteland racer
Dec 10, 2001 4:52 PM | | Hey, I have been eating that bread all my life. Let's not mock it.
Also I'm a white boy and I am poor as they get. I have been buying used bike parts for years now. |
| Worst post ever | Inclag
Dec 9, 2001 11:02 PM | | Since reading this post I have decided that I am no longer going to post here. This is pathetic. First off, Sagebush, you are just asking for trouble with this post, and second off, Ibismojo, shut the hell up your being an ignorant ass.
Sagebush, if you really need to find out the answer to your question why not just ask some "minority" that doesn't ride. You won't get any help here because everyone here rides and we can only theorize to your stupid stupid stupid question.
have fun boys
Inclag |
| Worst post ever | spork
Dec 11, 2001 2:33 PM | | i agree, i'm glad someone added something other than mindless crap that only worsened the argument |
| Go to Plattekill | B-B-BigRichDL
Dec 10, 2001 7:34 AM | | There are tons of minority riders there. Also I think its a monetary thing. The majority of minority concentration is in/near cities. Also, ON THE WHOLE, minorities have less money. Sports that cost less and are part of the fabric of our culture are more attractive. Basketball costs almost nothing to play. Soccer costs almost nothing to play. Also sports that can get you scholarships are more attractive to young people.
I, myself, grew up in the suburbs and rode BMX with my white, black, and Asian friends. However, I stopped riding' to concentrate on football and getting a free college ride until I was 26. I'm 31 now.
Peace,
Rich
TEam XXL
Shaums March rules!! |
| where was that taken? | mission possible
Dec 10, 2001 8:04 AM | | Where was photo taken?
looks muddy.
I dont recognize that eastcoast spot. |
| West Virginia ncs nm | $eth
Dec 10, 2001 8:13 AM | | nm |
| Go to Plattekill | HELLBELLY
Dec 10, 2001 6:14 PM | | I am not prejudice, I hate everybody! LOL. Damn Big R. You rock. The damn grounds gotta shake when you're coming down the mountain. Look out all you little cats out there, the biggun's are coming ta gitcha!
-HELLBELLY ...a 225lb evil Jew from outter space!
PS: czech out www.ridephat.com for the word 'bout big riders!!! |
| Cool site. I emailed in. I'll submit some stuff later. nm | B-B-BigRichDL
Dec 11, 2001 6:20 AM | | nm |
| There are plenty... | mission possible
Dec 10, 2001 7:40 AM | | 95% of the dh'ers are monorities.
(Irish, Italian, Jewish heritage, mexican, asian, black, Canadien!!)
At Plattekill its all mixed races.
Maybe you live in midwest?
NY is very racially diverse. |
| What is all the MIDWEST Shit? | Collins
Dec 10, 2001 11:27 PM | | I live in the mid west and have to say that the west and east coast are the problems. |
| East & Westcoast are the problem. | Livell
Jul 17, 2002 8:38 PM | | True!
I've lived on east and west coast and the bad spots there are much worse than a lot of places in the midwest. Midwest people are chilled out modest folks for the most part. Coast people got too much f-in' attitude. just my opinion. -Livell |
| re: Why no minorities? | yellowfellow
Dec 10, 2001 10:34 AM | | I don't know what kind of cousin humping, trailer trash, Jerry Springer watching, child molesting, women beating, nazi p.o.s. idiots (stereotype Sarge and Mojo??) post here, but you must live in a box if you think you can get away saying that kind of crap in todays world. Of course people are oversensitive when you use derogatory term to refer to them. I'm half Chinese and I grew up on a bike, I free ride, DH and XC. I also fight full contact in mixed martial arts. I'll show you what Asian "pussies" have developped in terms of ways to bust honky heads open. Your post is crap and just brings everyone down to your level.
I'm gonna write this off to American ignorance, because I know the scene is different here in Canada. There are crazy Asian mofo's on the shore hucking some huge shit. If they are "pussies", what does that make you aside from a racist? |
| who are you talking to? | ibismojo
Dec 10, 2001 1:28 PM | | |
| who are you talking to? | yellowfellow
Dec 10, 2001 8:50 PM | | ...talking to you a Sarge there chief... |
| A few reasons | AndrewInOttawa
Dec 10, 2001 4:14 PM | | As a minority I would like to put out a few ideas as to why this is so.
Most people do sports to be with friends. If most of your friends are playing sports like basketball are you going to go off and ride your bike?
Another aspect of this is the role-model impact. Most people want someone to lookup to. It is hard to look up to someone who you don't in some way relate to. That is not to say that I can not lookup to someone who is white but it just isn't the same. Economics does probably pay some part of it however I don't think that this is the gating factor.
If this sport becomes more main stream, which it seems to be doing, it will have more and more people try it. Companies will realize they can make money from it and try to enlarge there market share as well as increase the total market. One way of doing this is making affordable equipment and also marketing to different groups of people. |
| READ THIS!!! | Jeff G.
Dec 10, 2001 10:35 PM | | Now that I've calmed down after reading ibismojo's sh!t talkin post to me, I've come to a more adult conclusion to this post. This is probably the most rediculious post I have ever seen on MTBR, because regardless of race we all have something in common. We all love to haul a$$ down mountains at break neck speeds that most humans couldn't crawl down, or huck down massive stair gaps, etc. I honestly don't think any one of us knows the answer to this post, and to be perfectly honest.. who gives a rats a$$. There's plenty of us minorities who do ride, and the last thing we want to hear is negative remarks from our fellow riders. DH/FR is a small community as it is, we should treat it like a brotherhood and not 'the hood' like we've turned it into. I'm going to start by apologizing to ibismojo for slamming him in my previous post. Ride on fellas |
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