|   Azonic Eliminator or used DH frame....? | budget racer
Jan 9, 2002 8:36 AM | | I have about $1200 to spend on an 8" DH frame. New Azonic/Taiwan or
used Disco/Etc.....? thanks
-budget racer |
| In DH racing, NEW is ALWAYS better than used. | Zonic Man
Jan 9, 2002 8:41 AM | | Get the azonic. New is always better than used. Start fresh. |
| true,,,,any other cheapos to consider?,,,,thanks | budget racer-nm
Jan 9, 2002 9:10 AM | | nm |
| Bombshell "Da-bomb", Brodie 8-ball, Balfa BB7 | Jm
Jan 9, 2002 9:15 AM | | nm |
| cheeta prowler, norco team DH | sirbikealot
Jan 9, 2002 10:28 AM | | cheeta prowler
norco Team DH
::www.dropmachine.com:: |
| Oryx DH is the same frame as Azonic for $400 less!!!!!!!!!! | sirbikealot
Jan 9, 2002 10:36 AM | | www.oryx.ca
i've been telling people this for months but everyone seems to want the azonic sticker on the bike for $400usd more
http://www.dropmachine.com/news/showbig3.htm
heres the info you need its the exact same frame bought from the exact same manufacturing plant in taiwan, Astral Bikes |
| Thanks, are any of the "others", uh, warrantied? | Might have a chance w/ Azonic
Jan 9, 2002 2:32 PM | | if so, how easy do you think it would be to replace?
Therein lies the Azonic $400 value, IMHO
Thanks for all the info
-budget racer |
| oryx is a pretty big company, so warranty shouldn't be a prob | sirbikealot
Jan 10, 2002 11:23 AM | | nm |
| Not always but buyer beware (much more) | kpb
Jan 9, 2002 10:25 AM | | I'd have to say that the used Turner DHR I picked up is a better bike than a lot of new bikes out there. But as GO-RIDE mentions below, be careful. When buying used do your homework first, for instance:
I was looking for a DHR so my homework was dedicated on that bike but what I found was:
1. This frame is very overbuilt, as is the Armageddon and Tomac - important when buying used.
2. The bike I bought had a Race Face Steel Cup DH headset(installed from day one) and a Headlock, low chance of ovalized Headtube.
3. David Turner himself told me that some of the 2001 models(I ended up with a 2000, different shock mount) had come from the factory with the headset slightly oversized, these had a higher chance of headtube ovalization unless an oversized King headset was used.
4. David Turner also told exactly how to take apart the rear swingarm, what to look for and sent me new bushings and a new rear main pivot bolt for under $10 so I could re-assemble and remove any play that could have developed in the rear. If the bearings themselves had issues that's an expensive(like $150) rebuild that Turner should do themselves.
5. David Turner told me if there were any, "ANY" issues with the welds, mounts, headtube etc. that he could fix them. That the DHR was a real rebuildable frame (luckily I didn't need that). And that if the welds anywhere had separated he'd fix that for free. What other mfg. would do that for a 2nd hand buyer?
6. If buying a bike that would have to be shipped set the deal up with someone like escrow.com that allows an inspection period (usually 2 days) for the buyer prior to accepting the merchandise. Worked like a charm for me and not that $$$.
7. Be careful with older Intense M1 frames(2000 and earlier I believe), some of those had swingarm issues. Be careful with older Disco frames, early models had some really high leverage ratios on the shock=short shock/frame life. I'd personally stay away from GT DHi and Schwinn Straight 8/9 frames, they went chapter 11. If I didn't love my Turners I'd have considered the Army, the Foes DHS tube, later model Disco, 2001 Intense M1.
Only go used if it's a really good deal, my DHR came complete with a 2000 Monster in great shape, Fox RC fully functional(no rebuild needed), Deemax wheelset, Azonic 454 cranks(steel is going to last), MRP and Mr. Dirt guide - all for $2000. I can't imagine building up even the Azonic for that price. My bike is polished and I've just finished buffing the whole frame while apart with Auto Chrome polish and an electric buffer (Turners suggestion), once I get it back together I'll post some pics. |
| Be careful buying used... | go-ride.com
Jan 9, 2002 9:11 AM | | There are some really good deals on frames or bikes that have seen very few miles and then there are the ones that look ok, but have been beaten. When buying used I would try to get something from a friend or local acquaintance. At least you can get a real history on the bike and have some recourse if it turns out to be a dud.
Otherwise, I think the Azonic Eliminator is going to be a very good frame for the $$. We have 5 of them coming in today. I hope we can build one up as a shop demo, because I think we could sell a lot of these as complete bikes. Probably around $2500 - $3000 complete.
Scott C
go-ride.com |
| Thanks for the tips, are they Taiwan-made? | budget racer
Jan 9, 2002 9:23 AM | | do you see any other deals out there in the low end range?
I want to race a couple more years before I get a 'super-bike'.
P.S. your site has awesome info, specs and prices- great resource!!! |
| Also info resources online for Eliminator.... | budget racer
Jan 9, 2002 9:46 AM | | Azonic site is very thin on ionfo.
Thanks alot all |
| Also info resources online for Eliminator.... | mallet
Jan 9, 2002 5:31 PM | | I had Azonic send me the specs on the Eliminator. here they are:
ELIMINATOR
FRAME SPECS
Size.16.5 only
Color.black only
Rear wheel travel.8 ½"
Head tube angle.69 degrees (adjustable)
Seat tube angle.72.1 degrees
Effective top tube.21 ¾"
Chain stay.17"
B.B. Shell.68mm(spindle length depends on crank/chain guide being used)
Seat Post Dia.31.6mm
Seat Clamp.comes on frame
Stand over.30 inches at center of "V" on top tube(can be lowerd to 29" depending on swing arm position)
B.B. height(w/7"travel fork) 15 ¼" (adjustable)
Wheel base.43 ¼"(adjustable)measured with a 7" travel Rock Shox Boxxer
FEATURES
Made with both 6061 T-6 Alcoa tubing and 7075 T-6 Alcoa tubing.
CNC machined linkage
90 different forms of adjustment for suspension and travel
8.5 inches of true wheel travel
Box chain stays
Comes with FOX Vanilla RC (8.5" eye to eye)
Available with or without shock |
| Thanks for the tips, are they Taiwan-made? | Becks
Jan 9, 2002 9:53 AM | | Yeah they are Taiwan made!
there are i think about 3 or 4 Companies selling this frame for different prices but it is definitly the same frame.
and one of them is azonic
you get the same frame from Hawk, Onyx, and 2 others i do not remember the name.
try to find the best deal
from what i know Azonic is the most expensive |
| Also made for Tank and Astro. | RHCranked
Jan 9, 2002 10:40 AM | | They will be cheaper then the Azonic frames. contact esrbikes@hotmail.com for more info on the Tank frames. |
| buying used... | Ian F
Jan 10, 2002 9:36 AM | | is DEFINETELY buyer beware...
All of my three DH frames were bought used and were probably not the best deals - or were not as good as I thought they were. I should have learned after the first, but I guess not...
The first was a '96 Foes Weasel I bought in '98 complete for about $1300. That bike was a peice of work. Almost EVERYTHING on it was junk or trashed. The bushings were trashed. The shock (Alps 4) was junk and after buying a shock and bearing kit from Foes and a King Devolution headset for it, I could have bought a brand new frame for nearly the same money and less aggro.
The second was a '97 Intense M-1 purchsed in Summer '99. Lost some hair over this one. The frame looked great. Recently returned to the owner by Intense after some warranty work. What I didn't know was they '97 M-1's were flawed beasts. The monocoques were slightly skewed and the lower pivot bearing is the small Uzzi bearing. The skewed frame doesn't affect alignment (talked to Intense), but boy was I pissed when I found it. Can't do anything about the small bearing...
Third time was a real charm. I bought a 2000 M-1 complete with a Boxxer and other assorted pro-spec parts. Looked great. Well, the pivot bearings were all shot and it was dirty and scratched to hell when I got it, but once assembled, it rode well. As I was cleaning that first night, though, I found small stress fractures on the headtube welds. Then I dropped the fork and the lower cup fell out. Fortunately, Intense righted all wrongs (although they didn't have to) and I'm happy with the frame now and an Intense loyalist, but there was a trying time while I was wondering how bad this was going to be.
Moral of this story? My next DH frame will be new. |
| re: Azonic Eliminator or used DH frame....? | crissmx
Jan 9, 2002 7:46 PM | | Yes,we at Azonic will replace all Eliminator frames under manufacture defects.I personally installed 85 shocks on the frames and NONE of them had any slight defects.The quality looks GREAT ! So far everybody is very happy and no complaints.........Chris |
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