|   12in +13in Travel = Totally Retarded | RFXR
Dec 9, 2003 5:32 PM | | I saw this on pinkbike ans had to post it, now is this is one dumb bike |
| re: 12in +13in Travel = Totally Retarded | jdogg
Dec 9, 2003 5:43 PM | | is that a huckster. if it is someone told me they never made them i suggested that bender ride one but not even he needs that bike it is way to overkill when you see what people are doing one there like 7 inch bikes like wade simmons |
| As far as I know, Astrix wasn't going to make them for the... | KavuBiker
Dec 9, 2003 7:01 PM | | reason that you said...its not necessary.
But hey, maybe they just made a few and stopped production.
But that is one fugly bike.
KavuBiker |
| dude, like, thats the bomb man!!!.... | zedro
Dec 9, 2003 5:43 PM | | only a Pinkbiker could be proud... |
| Aw man, a moto guy would drool! | TNC
Dec 9, 2003 8:06 PM | | But I guess supercross level travel like that is a bit overkill for a bicycle--LOL! |
| UNREAL | CHEWITT
Dec 10, 2003 9:25 PM | | I'M A PRO MOTOCROSSER AND YOURE RIGHT 12IN WOULD RULE. WITH TWELVE INCHES I COULD DO SOME OF THE THINGS I DO ON A MOTOCROSS BIKE. THINK WHAT WADE COULD DO IF HE DID HAVE MORE SUSPENSION. MAYBE THAT ISN'T THE BIKE BUT IF THINGS KEEP PROGRESSING THEY 12 IN COULD BE AN OPTION. I'M NEW TO MTB BUT I HEARD A FEW YEARS AGO 6 INCHES WAS OVERKILL. |
| re: 12in +13in Travel = Totally Retarded | tully
Dec 9, 2003 8:49 PM | | Reason #211 why Astrix is a fukked up company. |
| re: something different and extreme pogo sticking .... | Astrix
Dec 10, 2003 4:10 AM | | Thanks for all your interest in our unique drop machine bike. We thought it would be interesting to build and over engineer a frame that was specifically designed for the Super Monster and dropping.
The criteria for the front triangle was for it to be strong and have conventional construction (solid seat tube). The extra front gusseting is due to the fact that the Super Monster is the same size as the fork on my KDX so I didn't want the Super Monster to rip the head tube off because of all the leverage. Next we had a custom 305mm length 105mm travel rear shock made with an oversized shaft for better oil displacement to optimize compression adjustment. The linkage gives the suspension system a rising spring rate and about the only way to connect it together. It also allows for that large shock to be placed under the rider for better frame balance.
Another thing I noticed, was riders falling and impacting the ground with their DH bikes absorbing the hit but the rider continuing forward. From motocross and trail riding with a throttle I wanted to mimic the acceleration and rocking of having a motor to keep the bike rocking forward as the rider was going forward from dropping or landing off something. This throttle response is mimicked with the pivot placement.
Then due to the location of the pivot the chain had to be routed up into the swingarm because a typical derailleur can not deal with 8"+ of chain growth. A benefit of this is that it pedals very well because all the pedal force parallel to the swingarm support.
I have to say that the look and function is unique but that was the point. There are only 15 in existence around the world. Built up they are about it feels about like a CR125. The rest of our line is more versatile, from the Huckster winning a National Championship to Mike Wilson pushing limits on his Havoc. We are excited about our new patent pending suspension system that we created and the response everyone has about riding them.
Later,
Ryan Carroll
Astrix Sports
Engineer |
| I'm really not that grossed out | drop360
Dec 10, 2003 7:17 AM | | When I first saw that frame on the Astrix web site, I just shook my head. It looked so bizarre, and I just didn't get it. My reaction was very similar to the first time I saw a Super Monster. But to see them both together, it actually looks like it was meant to work, unlike other bikes with Super Monsters, or frames with modified linkage plates to get 10+ inches of travel.
I'm not saying I want/need a bike like that. And, heck, I'm not sure if anyone does. But that's not my call. It might be overkill, but I'm glad to see that it looks ligit. |
| I hate to say it... | binary visions
Dec 10, 2003 10:16 AM | | But that bike is rediculous enough that it makes me want to be able to ride it. Take it down some nasty rock garden and then off a roof or something.
Not that I'd ever OWN something like that, but it does make me curious. |
| Small Minds | buzz sprocket
Dec 10, 2003 1:37 PM | | Geez, a long while back people thought nobody needed front suspension. Then some said ok, front supsension is cool, but nobody needs rear suspension. Then people said a 10 inch travel bike is ridiculous. Now look around at the bikes people covet the most. See where I'm going with this? How can any of you say that a couple more inches is stupid or ridiculous? The industry will continue to push the envelope (even if just to increase sales) and I for one can't wait to see what's next. |
| but larger minds know there are limits... | zedro
Dec 10, 2003 1:43 PM | | then whats the limit, 15", 20"?
The amount of travel designed into bikes has already seen a reversal; lots of race bikes stop at 8" and huck bikes at 9-10", even tho more travel could easily be designed. Alot of riders have already figured out that too much travel can be a hinderance, not an advantage.
Even 10" is not all that popular, most are stopping at 9". |
| I agree... | binary visions
Dec 10, 2003 3:45 PM | | "A couple more inches" has limits. That bike must weigh 70lbs., maybe more. Combine that with the rediculous quantity of suspension travel, how are you supposed to pedal it? That's easy - you aren't. But then how is it really a bike? It may as well be a singlespeed - all you need is enough pedalling ability to get it to and over the edge of the nearest cliff.
Sure, you can say "blah blah I ride my 50lb Banshee on XC rides" but you aren't riding it on XC rides, you're suffering through it on XC rides. Such is the case with this bike - it is not a useful piece of equipment, it's just an exercise in extremes. |
| 56 lbs | Astrix
Dec 10, 2003 3:54 PM | | This Halo was just built because I didn't see the sport of extreme pogo sticking taking off as a practical use for the Super Monster. This thing pedals well because of the routing of the chain and the forces. Similar to what Canfield, Vprocess, Trek and others do with chain routing. The whole bike as pictured weighs 56 lbs. The Halo exists just because and while building it we just had a few more made for those that just couldn't resist. Enjoy .... |
| Banchee owners suffer on XC rides because... | zedro
Dec 10, 2003 4:30 PM | | it gives them time to realise they bought a Banchee...;b |
| Don't be afraid | buzz sprocket
Dec 10, 2003 5:01 PM | | Look, I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying, and I don't want that bike. But I also agree that it's an exercise in extremes, and that's why I like it.
If there's one thing I've learned as our sport has progressed, it's that just when you think something has been pushed to the limit, someone or something will come along that ups the ante just a little more, if not completely blows away everything that came before. That's true for riding and for technology.
I don't think any of you have ridden that bike, and I don't think you have any idea what kind of performance is possible from it. The limits will continue to be pushed, and bikes will continue to evolve. Part of that will mean more travel for a particular niche: ridiculous rigs meant for nothing more (or less) than going as big as some nut is willing to go.
And it's true, that rig probably won't be much fun on an xc ride. But my xc bike isn't much fun on a downhill course or on a big drop.
Cheers to Astrix and a good debate. |
| agree with that point... | zedro
Dec 10, 2003 5:06 PM | | that you do need the exercise in extremes in progressing designs.
Wait, what were we arguing about again? |
| lol | buzz sprocket
Dec 10, 2003 5:17 PM | | Ha, I know, I don't think we're really arguing at all.
I guess I have a knee-jerk reaction to skepticism when it comes to advancing bike technology because I was once a jaded retro wrench and at some point I changed and now I'm pretty much willing to try or accept just about any new idea. It's guys like Ryan at Astrix who (for whatever motive) conceive an idea and follow through that will keep technology moving forward, and keep me interested in bikes long after I can't ride anymore.
Peas |
| well, let's hear it for... | binary visions
Dec 11, 2003 4:27 AM | | ...people who understand a reasonable disagreement is a discussion and not something to get pissed off over - those people are running fewer and further between in this forum!
Hell, I don't question the bike's existance. I've even got it as my wallpaper at the moment. A bike with a foot of travel at both ends? How cool is that? I mentioned above that it makes me curious.
I guess my reaction to it was at the theoretical level that the bike makes it into production and is sold as a "consumer" frame. I have a tough time imagining someone who would buy it and actually ride it.
There's probably a market for it in the guys who come in here and say "I have $7000 to spend, what is the BEST downhill bike? Oh by the way I don't know what I'm looking for and don't ride DH" (a'la that guy a few weeks ago).
So good for Astrix for seeing what they can do with the design, and even better that they recognize it as simply an exercise. |
| No Don, Your retarded | machineshop
Dec 10, 2003 6:58 PM | | just my 2 cents |
| Mike, you spelled You're wrong, you are the retard | RFXR
Dec 10, 2003 7:59 PM | | |
| ryan @astrix i would like to talk to you about........ | dream4est
Dec 11, 2003 12:07 AM | | sponsoring my business/latest freeride park idea. btw i would love to ride that halo off a roof to flat driveway. we should talk sometime. my new stunt park is right up hwy 72 like 25 minutes from arvada. i am sponsored by westside cycles but i am looking for other ways to market myself. i have seen lisa ride your other rigs at gunbarrel and they rock. call or email me.
mark caminiti
www.dreamforestmtb.com
dream4est@msn.com
720-635-7429 |
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