|   SCHWINN HEADSET | ian
Sep 27, 2001 2:48 PM | | I can finally put together my schwinn homegrown pro frame and the headset it came with has a ton of play. The crown race doesnt fit in well at all. It doesnt fit in well with the lower bearings, there is a lot of play. I just want to know if anyone else has had this problem, what you did and what should i do. I almost just want to get rid of the frame, i should still be able to return it i think. oh and another thing. I bought a Cane Creek ZS-2 headset for the pro frame, but it wont fit right. except the crown race fits perfectly with the headset i got with the frame which is a ICBM, i think it is made by dia compe for schwinn. so the crane creek crown race fits with the ICBM headset, but the ICBM crown race doesnt fit with the ICBM headset. also i took it to a shop to get the headset put in so it isnt like i dont know how to install a headset because i didt try to install it. any help would be great. i have called supergo.com(thats where i bought the frame) they were helpful and said the would call me back. the person said the were going to talk to someone else and call me back. i called schwinn but the werent much help, they said to call back in week and the should have all the stuff together. thanks.
feel free to email me at b-master1@juno.com. and i guess if you need a crane creek zs-2 headset i can sell you mine without the crown race.
ian |
| re: SCHWINN HEADSET | gravy
Sep 28, 2001 6:08 AM | | That is a strange problem I have a Moab 1 with the ICBM and have had no problems with it. You might want to try FSA they sell a headset that is supposed to fit. I am adding a e-mail I received from the FSA customer sevice in response to my question about a replacement headset for the ICBM.
I do believe that the Orbit I is the headset to fit your bike. It is
designed to fit integrated head tubes and it uses a higher quality bearing than most other integrated headsets. The angle of the chamfer on the inside of the bearing is 36deg and the outer is 45deg to fit the frame. Most other headsets are 45deg x 45deg. The 36deg chamfer directs the loads much better through the center of the bearing, thereby giving more longevity to the headset.
It retails for $50 and I have them available now in 1 1/8" size. Call (877)RIDE-FSA to order |
| FSA Orbit Z... | næstep
Sep 28, 2001 8:16 AM | | ...is a good bet. When I got mine, I questioned the 45° x 45° bearings that were included (I, too, was told 36° bearings would be provided). FSA said oops and sent me new bearings, but those were also 45° x 45°. I called 'em again, and they realized that they were mistaken the 45° bearings were correct and the 36° bearings were a mistake.
But your email refers to it as the Orbit I is it the same as the Z?
I'm waiting on FSA to produce some new headset cups to fit my frame (should be another week or two), but I'm under the impression that the current cups will fit the ICBM head tube just fine.
BTW FSA headsets will replace Cane Creek's as standard on '02 Giant frames. That's a strong vote of confidence. I've been really pleased with my standard 1 1/8" Orbit XLII and their customer service is on par with Cane Creek.
næstep |
| FSA Orbit Z... | gravy
Sep 28, 2001 8:51 AM | | I called FSA and left a message. The rep e-mailed me back about a week later and gave me this information. The orbit I is designed for the Italian Integrated Cup design. I will probably buy it when the season ends and have it built up on my bike for next year. If it works let you guys know. I just want a effective replacement that are available. |
| FSA Orbit Z vrs FSA Orbit I | gravy
Sep 28, 2001 8:58 AM | | The Orbit Z and the Orbit I are definately different. If you go to the FSA website anf look at the catalog, it has pretty good pic's of each, with a good explanation of each. Have Fun. |
| ICBM: So let me get this straight... | næstep
Sep 28, 2001 10:15 AM | | The ICBM cups really are machined directly into the head? (Not pressed in like the Giant integrated design?)
I'm also questioning the bearings i received, again! The FSA catalog photo clearly shows the Z imprinted with "36° ACB" (p.28). My bearings are definitely 45° x 45°.
Thanks for pointing me to the catalog. I haven't seen it before.
næstep |
| ICBM: So let me get this straight... | gravy
Sep 28, 2001 10:40 AM | | Yes the ICBM headset cups are machined directly into the frame. It is a good idea in theory, because it lightens the frame, but if you dent your frame in the cup area it could ruin your frame. But I am stuck with it, and I really like my frame, but with everything going on w/ Schwinn it makes me nervous.
Hopefully there will be more aftermarket headsets available soon. You would think with the amount of Moab and Homegrown frames out there w/ P.O.S. ICBM headsets a bike company would be anxious to get some revenue from us. Maybe coming down the line. |
| Achilles heal of Schwinn frames | Cook
Sep 28, 2001 6:48 AM | | I love my '00 Moab 1 frame.....except for that damned integrated headset. For this fact, I'd never buy another Schwinn, unless it was deep deep discount, or they went back to traditional headsets.
The original ICBM headset that came with my bike worked fine for about 2 months, then the bearings went. Tried to find a better quality headset and like you, I bought a Cane Creek ZS. The cap and races fit great, but the cartridge bearings were too small and jiggled around in the cups. Sent that back and got a new ICBM from Cane Creek. It's not perfect but it's better than what came stock. Functionally it works well, except the top cap does not fit perfect. There is about a 1mm gap between headtube and cap that I have to keep filled with grease to keep crud off the exposed bearing. |
| re: SCHWINN HEADSET | police
Sep 28, 2001 7:27 AM | | I had the same problem with my homegrown comp. the problem with mine was i needed to add a spacer. the stem needed to be 1mm above the top of the steerer tube. i don't know if this is the same problem you are having but it works great now. |
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