|   Mavic X317 n F219! Which one? | scared
Jan 17, 2002 7:15 AM | | I'm currently stuck between the choice of either one. I'm building my wheels for a trail bike, freeriding ocassionally! i'll be lacing it with DT revolutions n King hubs. I intended to use the 317's as they're light but will it hold up? Is it better if i used 36 spokes,will it help? Or would u advise the 219's!
Thanks n happy trails! |
| Freeriding? revolutions? discs? | DJS
Jan 17, 2002 7:29 AM | | Rugged and no worries- Wheelsmith 14/15, Alum nips, 219's wheelsmith lighter than DT14/15 and better spring action. 14 straight spokes actually make a less durable wheel than 14/15 - even mavic uses 14/15 on the Downhill Deemax wheels - thats a whole other discussion.
Rugged BUT stay away from the 3' drops- DT rev, alum nips, 317.
for either of these wheels - the component choice is only 30% of the equation. I can build a set of King/317/DT rev that will outlive a King/219/14-15 by miles. Its all in the build quality.
Even, high-enough spoke tension. Proper lacing methods, proper spoke bend prepping, etc.
If Joe-blow up at the local shop is building them for you, first ask what spoke tension he will be lacing it up to, and what variance he will find acceptable across the range of all spokes per side. Will he use spoke prep AND let it dry before threading (as is critical) Will he grease the eyelets? If he shoots you a blank stare, go someplace else.
since I have time- 14/15 makes a more durable wheel because it lets the impact forces be handled by spring action of the spoke. Using straight 14 will put more of the force to be dispursed into the rim, since the thick 14's will not be able to spring nearly as much. You find spoke pulling out of rims almost exclusively with straight 14g spokes because of this. |
| re: Mavic X317 n F219! Which one? | Bob
Jan 17, 2002 8:31 AM | | HI Scared,
I just had a wheelset built up with F219's . Laced to Hope Bulb hubs with 14/15g butted spokes. 32 hole. As you probably know the rims you mention are quite different. The 219's are about 160 to 170 grams heavier each. They are porky. For me it was worth the extra weight. I weigh 210 and like not having to spend my time in front of a truing stand. And I normally ride Rhyno Lites which are only 5-10 grams lighter than the 219.
If you want to shoot down the middle, how about the Mavic F519? Not a disc specific rim but might be a good solution if you can't decide between light weight and strength.
Obviously you are using discs, I'd go with the 219 based on that and that you will "freeride" on them.
Bob |
| re: Mavic X317 n F219! Which one? | NCN
Jan 17, 2002 1:51 PM | | I have a set of 517s that I've been on for a couple of years with no problems; I'm mostly an XC guy, but I go about 230 so I put a little stress on the wheels. I only had to touch them once when I put a stick through the spokes. I also built a set of 519s last spring that have held up really well so far. I'd pass on the 219s -- they are 100g heavier per rim than the 519s, and that adds up to nearly half a pound total for the bike.
I'd say that if you're light, go with the 317s / 36H, but if you're heavier, go with the 519s, 32 or 36H depending on your weight and the amount of bashing you intend to do. Either way, go with 14/15 spokes, brass nipples, and 3x lacing all around. And as the other fellow said, go with a great wheelbuilder, or do it yourself -- the build makes the difference.
If I was going to go with the 219s, I think I'd go to the 321s instead -- same weight, and a proven performer.
NCN |
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