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knobbiest most aggressive 2.35 made (15 posts)
|  knobbiest most aggressive 2.35 made | JJHACK
Mar 11, 2002 9:56 AM | | What are my choices for the most knobby and deepest cleats for mud and snow? I would prefer a hard rubber so the knobs don't wear down or break off to easy as well. |
| Panaracer Fire DH Pro 2.3 | Julian
Mar 11, 2002 10:02 AM | | Very knobby and durable. Also, very good low pressure tire. Although, I ride SoCal so I'm not much of an expert for mud and snow. |
| Maxxis Swampthing in 2.35 and 2.5 | shiggy
Mar 11, 2002 10:11 AM | | Big deep tread blocks on a DH tire. I am not a fan of big tires in the mud, though. Narrower is better in most cases. |
| Maxxis wet scream | El Jester
Mar 11, 2002 11:34 AM | | The Wet scream DH is a good mud only tire that comes in a 2.2 size. Like shiggy said for mud narrow is better. Michelin also makes a good DH mud tire. |
| I run a continental vertical protection which is pretty similar | arch
Mar 11, 2002 10:45 AM | | to what you're asking for. Here's a pic of the tread... |
| The Survival is even gnarlier | shiggy
Mar 11, 2002 10:59 AM | |  |
| Actual size | JJHACK
Mar 11, 2002 12:15 PM | | Are the continental vertical pro tires close to the stated size. Some tires say 2.3 or what ever they claim but in reality are not as big as stated. I have seen plenty of 2.3 tires that look like the standard 2.10's out there. Just curious about the actual size. I currently run 2.40 motoraptors front and rear, but my rear tire is wearing down and I need to replace it in the next month, that's why I'm shopping now. |
| Actual size | El Jester
Mar 11, 2002 12:33 PM | | Take a look at the 2.3 or 2.5 Tioga Factory DH. This is one of the biggest 2.3's I've seen. I've been using the 2.3 for a year now and they work well in all conditions. Most online retailers have them for $19.99. |
| Contis run undersize... | shiggy
Mar 11, 2002 3:04 PM | | ...even by other tire companies standards. Tioga and Hutchinson are nearly the stated size. Most others are in between. |
| no such thing as actual size... | airwreck
Mar 11, 2002 5:50 PM | | for comparison
2.4 motoraptors are tall
Fire XC pro is a small 2.1
2.3 conti maybe a hair bigger than a 2.1 Velociraptor
2.4 mutano raptor is smaller than a 2.4 moto
2.3 survival pro and the 2.4 mutano are very close, casing and knob to knob, mutano maybe a couple mm taller, not nearly as tall as a 2.4 moto.
It seems like it is hard to mix and match tires, when I run 2.4 motoraptors I run them front and rear, same with the conti's, I have both the vert and the survival, very happy with the survival in the mud, front and rear, skinny tires bug me.
Can't seem to decide what to do with the 2.4 Mutano, only have one and it just doesn't seem to look right with anything, currently it's paired with a 2.1 fire xc pro rear(GF's bike, not mine).
I still have the feeling that the 2.25 mutano raptor front and rear will be a good setup for me, please pull my name from the hat! I have no money and am a tire junky.
no help, am I.
Eric |
| Check here for actual tire measurements | shiggy
Mar 11, 2002 6:47 PM | | Measured by me. Scroll down several screens of white space to see the data table.
All tires mounted on Mavic 261 rim (26mm wide)@ 40 psi |
Brand |
Tire Name |
Stated Size |
Casing Width |
Tread Width |
Casing Height |
Tread depth - center |
Tread Depth - Side |
WTB |
Moto Raptor |
2.4 55/60 |
55 |
60 |
52 |
4.5 |
4.5 |
Schwalbe |
King Jim Light |
2.35 |
54 |
58 |
49 |
4.4 |
6 |
WTB |
Mutano Raptor |
2.4 55/55 |
53 |
53 |
52 |
3.4 |
4.2 |
Michelin |
Front S |
2.1 |
51 |
53 |
48 |
3.8 |
6.0 |
Hutchinson |
Python Air Light |
2.0 |
50 |
48 |
47 |
3.0 |
4.4 |
Tioga |
Factory Mud |
1.85 |
47 |
52 |
43 |
5.5 |
7.0 |
WTB |
Racing Raptor (front) |
47/48 |
47 |
50 |
44 |
| | must be the oregon weather... | airwreck
Mar 11, 2002 11:06 PM | | nothing better to do but measure tires...
next yucky spell we get I'm going have to go through our pile and see what kind of numbers I come up with.
tonite I rode the 2.3 survival's then did a quick spin on the Python 2.0 and they sure looked skinny.
I can really go overboard, measuring both on 5/317's and ryhnos.
Any tips for getting casing height, custom one long arm caliper maybe?
the moto mutano suprised me, the moto looks more than 1mm taller.
nice work. |
| measuring casing height... | shiggy©®
Mar 12, 2002 12:57 PM | | First I measure the height of the rim (full height, not just sidewall.)
Mount and inflate the tire (duh.)
Then measure from inside the rime to the top of the tire casing (base rubber, not top of the tread blocks.)
Subtract the rim height to get casing height.
I always use the same unlaced rim for my measuring.
Most any calipers will work. Mine are a cheap pair I picked up at a discount tool store. The jaws are about 2-inches deep. Plenty long enough for a 3-inch tire |
| Hard to say, about all I could tell you is that it is larger... | arch
Mar 12, 2002 9:12 AM | | than my panaracer 2.1.
-arch |
| re: knobbiest most aggressive 2.35 made | ToddM
Mar 12, 2002 11:24 PM | | I'd have to say of the tires I've seen the tioga 2.3 DH would win. Inflated it's a true 2.35" tread width tire with a 2.2" casing width. It's got tall aggressive sharp edged knobs. The fire XC DH 2.3 is right in there with the tioga.
The conti vertical pro is another great agressive XC tire, but it's really only a 2.2 tread width and a 2.0 casing width with much smaller knobs that the Tioga. Though for 600 grams it's XC worthy, they also roll pretty well and for a XC tire stick like crazy.
The survival pro I was really disappointed with, next to the the vert pro it looks even smaller. Big wide spaced knobs, probably a great snow tire, but more like a true 2.1 tire. Would be a good mud tire in certain mud but usually you are better off as other's have said with a narrow knobby in mud.
Course at some point you have to figure out what you want the Tioga and Fire XC DH are larger and more aggressive but they are much heavier than either of the contis. In fact the vertical pro is almost half the weight of the panaracer.
On the other hand the conti's do not have the heavy sidewall and ability to run as low of pressure. They also do not have the level of traction the tioga and panaracer do. If your looking for a really grippy XC tire, that's still light, you can't beat the vertical pro.
However if you want something to run at 30psi dropping off ledges and stuff the tioga or panaracer are the way to go.
Todd |
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