|   why are all overseas freeriders so crap!!!!!!! | i come from a land downunder
Jan 23, 2003 10:56 PM | | ok.....i went along to watch the red bull ride in Jindabyne this year because the list of famous riders coming over was huge, klassen, schley, borden, peat, barrelcloth and i expected to see an awesome display of free ride talent not seen on our shores before.
what i saw were a bunch of crap riders all sponsored for some strange reason that were absonutly killed by the local talent. All the big names were way off the back of the pack and could hardly even ride the course meanwhile the local riders ripped it up.
these guys were meant to be the best in the biz.....pitty they all suck |
| Gimme a break you ho | Bone Marrow
Jan 24, 2003 12:02 AM | | I guess we'll be seeing all the Auzzie riders next time since they are the best (Ha HA ha). Believe me, Auzzie riders have nothin on the real Shore. |
| Not quite the way I would put it... | Schtoo
Jan 24, 2003 3:48 AM | | But I can't say much as I never saw the spectacle.
Here's some food for thought though.
You said the locals tore up the track, as they should. It's a definite homeground advantage. This always happens no matter what the competition is. The locals are often stupid fast at their own track, but take them out of there and often they fall apart. Note I said often not always. But take a genuine 'champion' and they will often kick the life out of anyone else, anywhere. People that can do that are rare, and when you see one that has EARNED it, then they are magical to watch no matter what kind of racing it may be.
Also consider that these guys are from the US (I guess). There are more people there, more cash to spread around. It's a population thing. Aussies are always the poor cousins in this regard which is sad considering what happens when the poor cousin gets half a chance. Well, we beat all comers anywhere. Don't make me name names or sports here folks... But think that Australia has 1/13th the US population, yet can boast so many country(wo)men as being king of the hill.
I don't argue that these imported folks maybe weren't all that good, but I know from experience that take the locals out of their neighbourhood pool and they often drown. Also that these sponsored guys in all actuality might actually suck too. I can't say for sure, but it wouldn't be unusual.
It's more involved than all that, but I'm typing on a half busted keyboard and don't wish to elaborate too far. I've seen it before and know how it works. It's why I expect to see the paid guys get kicked, but also know that sometimes that's what they get paid to do, kinda... |
| Not quite the way I would put it... | guido_96
Jan 24, 2003 4:23 AM | | I agree...the locals ride/train there damn near every day, of course they're going to be faster, know the smooth lines etc... |
| Not quite the way I would put it... | pants
Jan 24, 2003 8:08 AM | | I think the 1st and second place winners were from Western Australia, not exactly local as it is over 3000km from the race site. (that's if we're talking about the same race here) |
| Go throw another shimp on the barby.........and chill (nt) | Cook
Jan 24, 2003 5:39 AM | | |
| Because the Yanks are OVERWEIGHT_UNFIT Arseholes | Auzzie Ozzbourne
Jan 24, 2003 6:07 AM | | Yours comparing the population of the USA with that of Australia...is your brain really present???
What a lot of Crap!...the USA automatically think they are the best of world at sports.
Look at the rankings (below) for the end of 2002. These are the official UCI standing for the mens XC. In the top 100 there are 3 Americans!!!....yes a piss poor 3! Australia have 6 in the top 100. I think the guy is right. Americans are poor performers on foreign soils. very very poor. Its got bollocks all to do with population. Its about talent and the US are seriously lacking.
1 1 BRENTJENS Bart NED NED19681010 GIANT GLOBAL 34 1355
2 2 MEIRHAEGHE Filip BEL BEL19710305 SPECIALIZED 31 1264
3 3 PAULISSEN Roel BEL BEL19760427 LANABAU-RW 26 1144
4 4 GREEN Roland CAN CAN19740729 TREK VOLKSWAGEN 28 1042
5 5 ABSALON Julien (u) FRA FRA19800816 MOTOREX-BIANCHI 22 1009
6 6 HERMIDA Jose Antonio ESP ESP19780824 MOTOREX-BIANCHI 24 1000
7 7 SAUSER Christoph SUI SUI19760413 VOLVO-CANNONDAL 26 974
8 8 DUPOUEY Christophe FRA FRA19680808 GIANT GLOBAL 34 972
9 9 FUMIC Lado GER GER19760520 TEAM-T-MOBILE 26 863
10 10 GALINSKI Marek POL POL19740801 CCC-POLSAT ROAD 28 817
11 11 HESJEDAL Ryder (u) CAN CAN19801209 SUBARU-GARYFISH 22 777
12 12 LEUCHS Kashi NZL NZL19780630 VOLVO-CANNONDAL 24 766
13 13 FRUET Martino ITA ITA19770721 25 743
14 14 DUBAU Ludovic FRA FRA19731117 ORBEA 29 727
15 15 BUI Marco ITA ITA19771017 LANABAU-RW 25 722
16 16 MCGRATH Seamus CAN CAN19760503 HAROLEEDUNGAREE 26 701
17 17 RAVANEL Cedric FRA FRA19781126 ORBEA 24 690
18 18 FRISCHKNECHT Thomas SUI SUI19700217 32 685
19 21 TABERLAY Sid (u) AUS AUS19800122 22 619
20 19 KASS Jochen (u) GER GER19810505 TEAM-T-MOBILE 21 617
21 20 FUMIC Manuel (u) GER GER19820330 TEAM-T-MOBILE 20 598
22 22 PETERS Bas NED NED19760514 26 589
23 23 BUNDI Silvio SUI SUI19780613 24 546
24 24 BRESSER Carsten GER GER19700904 TEAM-T-MOBILE 32 500
25 24 FLEMING Josh AUS AUS19751114 27 497
26 26 COLOMA Carlos (u) ESP ESP19810928 ORBEA 21 490
27 27 KALBERER Thomas SUI SUI19770213 ARROW 25 481
27 27 HOCHSTRASSER Thomas SUI SUI19760713 GIANT GLOBAL 26 481
29 29 KABUSH Geoff CAN CAN19770414 25 473
30 30 ORTIZ Antonio ESP ESP19770907 25 467
31 31 WEISS Michael (u) AUT AUT19810117 21 453
32 32 DIETSCH Thomas FRA FRA19740808 MOTOREX-BIANCHI 28 448
32 32 DIAZ DE LA PENA Alejandro ESP ESP19770425 25 448
34 40 BAKKER Erwin NED NED19791010 23 426
35 56 TOULOUSE Mathieu CAN CAN19760803 26 416
36 34 KARCZYNSKI Marcin POL POL19780806 LOTTO-PZU 24 415
37 35 DE BERTOLIS Massimo ITA ITA19750428 27 412
38 35 PALLHUBER Hubert ITA ITA19650917 LANABAU-RW 37 411
39 37 CHEVALLIER Jerome FRA FRA19740928 28 407
40 38 POULY Peter FRA FRA19770720 25 406
41 39 KOWAL Mariusz POL POL19780503 LOTTO-PZU 24 405
42 41 COENEN Davy (u) BEL BEL19800402 22 402
43 65 BARRIGA Salvador MEX MEX19770729 TURBO BICYCLES 25 395
44 42 PERAUD Jean-Christophe FRA FRA19770522 25 394
45 43 SCHEIDERBAUER Jorg AUT AUT19770108 BE ONE XC 25 388
46 44 SAHM Stefan GER GER19760824 TEAM-T-MOBILE 26 382
47 45 LEJARRETA ERRASTI Inaki (u) ESP ESP19830901 ORBEA 19 376
48 46 RYSENKO Sergiy (u) UKR UKR19800315 22 371
49 47 NAF Ralph (u) SUI SUI19800510 22 370
50 48 MARQUEZ José ESP ESP19760317 26 360
51 49 VOGEL Florian (u) SUI SUI19820218 20 356
52 80 WEDGE Peter CAN CAN19720918 30 352
53 50 ANDERSEN Peter Riis (u) DEN DEN19800725 TEAM-T-MOBILE 22 349
54 51 WELLS Todd USA USA19751225 MONGOOSEHYUNDAI 27 344
55 52 GORDON Craig AUS AUS19710207 31 343
56 52 ALVAREZ Ivan (u) ESP ESP19811218 21 342
57 54 SOUKUP Christoph (u) AUT AUT19801011 22 341
58 55 MADRIGAL Ziranda MEX MEX19770523 TURBO BICYCLES 25 337
59 57 KESSIAKOFF Fredrik (u) SWE SWE19800517 TEAM CRESCENT 22 313
60 58 POULSEN Christian DEN DEN19790918 23 312
61 59 TJALLINGII Marten NED NED19771105 25 309
62 60 DILGER Andreas GER GER19780511 24 307
63 61 PLATT Karl GER GER19780314 24 306
64 66 TIELENS Jimmy BEL BEL19791223 23 289
65 62 KILLEEN Liam (u) GBR GBR19820412 SUBARU-GARYFISH 20 285
66 63 SPESNY Milan CZE CZE19770322 25 284
67 67 HOYDAHL Rune NOR NOR19691210 GIANT GLOBAL 33 274
68 68 PALLHUBER Johann ITA ITA19740206 LANABAU-RW 28 272
69 69 FEDERAU Ricky (u) CAN CAN19811008 21 267
70 70 GISPERT LABARTA Marti ESP ESP19781023 GIANT GLOBAL 24 266
71 70 KIRCHER Robert AUT AUT19770630 LANABAU-RW 25 265
72 72 BYNENS Damien (u) BEL BEL19820722 20 264
73 73 RAMETSTEINER Roman AUT AUT19761214 26 262
74 74 MARX Torsten GER GER19750625 27 261
74 74 BAUER Siegfried AUT AUT19760923 26 261
76 76 LEIS Mark AUS AUS19731205 29 252
76 76 SHEPPARD Chris CAN CAN19730419 HAROLEEDUNGAREE 29 252
78 78 KORINEK Radim CZE CZE19731201 CESKASPORITELNA 29 251
79 79 MANETSCH Reto (u) SUI SUI19800312 22 248
80 80 NICKE Thomas GER GER19780428 24 246
81 125 DECKER Carl USA USA19750603 27 245
82 82 TAVELL Philip SWE SWE19750603 MERIDA INTER. 27 243
83 83 PIRAZZOLI Mirko ITA ITA19740429 28 232
84 84 GIRARD Julien (u) SUI SUI19800712 22 230
85 85 CRAIG Nick GBR GBR19690403 33 228
86 86 MILLER Brent (u) AUS AUS19810419 21 225
86 86 PRESSLAUER Peter AUT AUT19780617 24 225
88 88 WEBER Balz (u) SUI SUI19810120 ARROW 21 219
89 89 BONNE Thomas DEN DEN19770522 25 216
90 90 GISPERT LABARTA Eloj ESP ESP19760529 26 214
91 91 AL Thys (u) NED NED19800616 22 213
91 92 PALMBERG Magnus SWE SWE19710426 31 213
93 93 HESTLER Andreas CAN CAN19700512 32 212
94 93 KOCH Georg AUT AUT19711013 31 211
95 95 ROWNEY Paul AUS AUS19701202 32 210
96 96 CRAIG Adam (u) USA USA19810815 21 208
97 97 ACQUAROLI Dario ITA ITA19750310 27 206
98 98 GIRARD Valentin (u) SUI SUI19800712 22 205
99 99 FILIPPI Nicolas (u) FRA FRA19811021 MOTOREX-BIANCHI 21 204
100 100 SICKMUELLER Johannes (u) GER GER19820318 20 201 |
| Futhermore, AUS would crush the US at this | Auzzie Ozzbourne
Jan 24, 2003 7:13 AM | | Actually its not so ridiculous to believe that Australia could produce fitter athletes than the US. If you ever travel to Aus. you'll find that the people there are very fitness orientated from an early age. They are a tremendously healthy and fit nation and puts the US to shame in that respect. Actually nost nations put the US to shame when it comes to health and fitness.
Aussie athletes are in every major sporting event and do good.
I would like to see america's top NFL site square up to the Aussie National Rugby team. They would crush the soft bellied americans and they dont need helmets or ridiculous amounts of padding to do it.
Dont ever underestimate the Aussies. They are one of the most (if not THE most) sporting nations in the world. |
| Futhermore, AUS would crush the US at swilling beer! | guido_96
Jan 24, 2003 8:45 AM | | dude, put the Fosters down already...the only thing the Aussie National Rugby team would crush is the beer cans they just emptied!!...a 1/2 decent NFL team would make a greasy spot on the field with your rugby team, mate! |
| Futhermore, AUS would crush the US at this | tripper54
Jan 24, 2003 4:03 PM | | While it's true the US leads the world in obesity, Australia is not too far behind. What's particularly worrying is the rate at which obesity is increasing in children under 9 - too much time in front of Playstations perhaps?
Australia prides itself on its elite sporting achievements. Australians are misproportionately represented on sporting podiums throughout the world. This is largely due to the massive funding injection into development of elite athletes via the Australian Institute of Sport that came about as a result of our humiliating performance at the 1976 Olympics at Montreal. This is fine, as long as grass-roots, participation rather than acheivement oriented sports and recreation are also encouraged/funded.
Hats off the the Australians who did so well at the Red Bull Ride, also hats off to all the competitors from around the world who came and rode the event. One look at the course makes you realise that anyone who can ride it at all is to be held in awe. I love seeing riders that are really good, I don't really care what country they come from. It just makes me want to get out and push myself a little harder.
If you're in AUS, SBS-TV will be running some highlights from the Red Bull Ride on the cycling show on Sunday 5:30pm AEST. |
| Typical Dingo | Ajax
Jan 24, 2003 7:18 AM | | Just kidding, actually the majority of the top ten finishers at the last Redbull that were Canadians. Why only one made the top 10 in aus I can't say. Using your "fat and lazy" logic I count 9 Canadians in your UCI standing list. That's 3 more Canucks than Aussies for roughly the same population. How come? |
| re: Circumstances.. | Jrm
Jan 24, 2003 7:34 AM | | The big names might have contracts constraining what they can do or events that they can be in. Also in order to meet their sponsorship obigations or in order to stay healthy for the race season they may decide not to participate.
On the other hand local talent is after those same contracts and sponsors so they have to prove themselves to some degree. Just think nothing to lose and willing to f themselves up in order to secure a contract or sponsor. Thats me $ .02 on the subject. |
| How can we believe you.. you're from an island of convicts. nm | Crockdundee
Jan 24, 2003 9:35 AM | | . |
| Yeah!!!! nm | MountRealRider
Jan 24, 2003 9:47 AM | | nm |
| Oh yeah... well Holdens suck!!! (nm) | third day
Jan 24, 2003 12:57 PM | | |
| I wish I was from OZ | Scott P
Jan 24, 2003 3:01 PM | | Not! I wonder why the women down there like american guys so much? Hmm |
| why arent there any ozzies anywhere else if htey're so good. | La Voie
Jan 24, 2003 11:37 PM | | i agree with all the people that said that people do worse away from their own area. maybe the americans and canadians couldn't breath the smoke? but if ozzies are so good, then where were they at rampage???? how come gracia, klasses, and barrecloth won that one, were there even any ozzies competing? |
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