|   Lawyer tabs on a Fox Forx | Han
May 22, 2003 7:50 AM | | Has anyone filed off the lawyer tabs on a Fox Forx? I'd ask Fox, but I'm sure they'll tell me not to for liability purposes, regardless of the engineering realities.
The problem with Fox Forx is that there isn't merely a tab at the bottom of the dropout, but a flange around the entire dropout. I'm a little concerned with filing this. But at the same time, I'm sick of tightening and loosening the quick release everytime I get the bike off my fork mount because some less than intelligent biker didn't know how to use one and subsequently hurt him/herself and sued the manufacturer. Kinda defeats the purpose of a quick release, wouldn't you say?
Anyways, barring that, is there a long throw quick release skewer, like the ones on fork mount racks, that will clear the tabs? And no, I'm not using discs. |
| re: Lawyer tabs on a Fox Forx | fatty
May 22, 2003 8:09 AM | | I can't possibly imagine that ever bothering me so much that I would decide to deface such a sweet fork. If you ever plan on selling the "filed-down" on eBay, set your reserve at $50. I beg you..don't |
| A gross misconception... | GirchyGirchy
May 22, 2003 8:41 AM | | Your comment about "some less than intelligent biker didn't know how to use one and subsequently hurt him/herself" seems to infer that any time a quick release skewer comes loose, it's because of a stupid biker. This is not correct. I had a pair of Performance Q-Stix skewers which would loosen themselves through no fault of my own, which is insanely dangerous. I know how to use them, and each time would close them a bit tighter than the last, which made no difference.
Thank goodness for the lawyer tabs, or I might have been screwed. I promptly sent them back and are now using my Shimanos, which have never loosened so far. Just keep them on there...you never know when they could come in handy. |
| Ditto..... | FreeRangeChicken
May 22, 2003 9:08 AM | | Just the other day my skewer quick release came loose. I always crank 'em down good and snug. I was out doing trials stuff and did a small huck off of a bench. When I looked down after the drop my front tire was completely loose, as teh QR lever had popped open. It wasn't a big huck, but it would've been pretty ugly had the wheel come off. I was counting my blessings and singing the praises of lawyer tabs. I have never, ever had a QR come loose before.
My 2 cents? Keep the tabs!
BTW GirchyGirchy, they were Performance Q-Stix also. Have they recalled these? Pretty damn scary.
FRC |
| If not, then they should be! | GirchyGirchy
May 22, 2003 9:18 AM | | I posted on here after the loosening incidents (rear loosened three times, front once), and got about four replies from people having bad luck with the Q-Stix. You're right, it is scary. I had no problems getting my money back for them, so I'd suggest you send them right back to Performance.
Brian |
| Lol! Man that is just plain... | fred³
May 22, 2003 9:01 AM | | lazy. Sorry. Can't help myself. You're moaning about having to turn a knob no more than 5 times to remove a wheel. Hehehe. Priceless. The Manitou forks are the same way.
If everyone drove responsibly we wouldn't need seatbelts either, but because of some less intelligent drivers we're all doomed to be strapped in forever. It's a safety device. Go ahead and grind it off if you want to. I've got a few friends that have with no repercussions. It's a quick release because you don't need wrenches to remove the wheel. Flip a lever. Spin it a few times and you're good to go. |
| Lol! Man that is just plain... | Han
May 23, 2003 6:33 AM | | Lazy. Yup, that's me. I ride just about every day, road and mountain, and having to unscrew and screw the QR is a waste of time. Holding the bike up while screwing the nut end is frustrating at best, and not all QR nuts are easy to screw on and off with your fingers. XTR skewers in particular are difficult, especially on a Forx with a blowoff adjustment knob and the bottom of the legs butting right up against the dropout. If you ride more than 2 days a month, you realize that this is a royal pain, moreso because they are totally unnecessary.
I know it's a safety device, but in my opinion it's one that has been created because of litigation, not because of true need. I've worked at shops, and I have never seen a wheel come off, unless the person misused the skewer. I've never had a problem on my old Fat Chance rigids, or Bridgestones, or my old pre-Bomber Marzocchis. |
| Ignore Fred. He's the resident "holier than thou". nt | Philber
May 23, 2003 6:59 AM | | nft |
| I've never seen one come off either | meloh1
May 23, 2003 3:45 PM | | But I have ridden with friends on more than one occasion where a branch or rock caught the skewer and unlatched it. Lawyer tabs kept the wheel on the bike. Road bikes probably don't require this feature, at least for the marginally knowledgeable. Although, I've never seen this happen on a road bike I have heard of riders in a pack getting their skewers flipped by a tire or foot (maybe intentionally?). Just in case I always position my skewer so it closes either behind the fork leg or in between the chain and seat stays. |
| Is the extra 20 seconds you'd gain... | Locoman
May 22, 2003 9:02 AM | | Is the extra 20 seconds you'd gain when removing the tire worth the loss of warranty on such a sweet fork? |
| Better Quick Release | WarrGuru
May 22, 2003 9:26 AM | | I picked up a quick release when I was at the Sea Otter Classic, in April.
This quick release has 2 excellent features:
1) The quick release opens enough to clear the lawyer tabs without loosening the nut
2) The quick release has a built-in locking lever. It has a 2-stop latch that can't open accidentally. It locks closed. You must push a release button before the QR will open.
I only paid $15 for it. I wish I had purchased at least 4 of them. Another plus is that they only weigh 50 grams.
The name on the package is Quick. There's an email address: NeuvationCycling.com
Contact them if you're interested in the QR. |
| I always file mine off with a dremel... | FM or MF
May 22, 2003 3:40 PM | | There is no need for them if you have good quick releases and make sure their tight. I drive to all my rides, ride like 3x a week, and not having the tabs does save time and effort, especially when I'm trying to get my bike on top of my buddies 6' tall SUV with rusty trays!
Having said that though, I have seen amazingly bad quick release designs, most notably by Kore and Syncros. Shocking since a good quick release is not exactly an engineering marvel. So it's shimano& campagnolo only for me.
Also, working in shops I've seen a lot of accidents due to QR mis-use. This has nothing to do with tabs or QR quality, it's people not understanding how the QR works.
So, if you have friends who are new to cycling, make sure to explsin it to them! |
| Lawyer tabs? I don't need no steenking lawyer tabs. | Twilight Error®
May 22, 2003 4:14 PM | | 20mm Thru Axle all the way.
File the tabs off if you want, just be aware that Fox may not honor your warranty if you do. |
| Funny Story - Wheel Safety. | AEM
May 23, 2003 7:40 AM | | Funny Story: A few years back I was working in a bike shop. I was sitting at the counter, and through the window I see a guy cruising down the street towards the shop an a huffy or something. The guy rides up the handicapped ramp onto the sidewalk outside the store and leans his bike against the building. He comes into the store asking for axle-nuts to hold his wheel on, I ask him "For what bike?" and he points outside. I grab some nuts and a wrench and walk outside. Sure enough there is NOTHING holding his front wheel on, I lifted the handle bar up ad the wheel drops out! To my amazement, the guy tell me that he lives like 3 miles away from the store, 3 miles through neighborhoods with trolley tracks and potholes! Amazing what ignorance can do for you.
I used to dremel off my lawyer-tabs, now I just leave them on, why go through the hassle of doing something that has the potential of getting you creamed? |
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