|   2004 Hollowpoint Pics? | Boganbiker
Oct 21, 2003 4:33 PM | | Anyone have pics of the 2004 Iron Horse Hollowpoints from Interbike or elsewhere? |
| Heres a pic... | mtnbikerdude87
Oct 21, 2003 6:06 PM | | ..from www.singletrackworld.com
-mtnbikerdude87 |
| Wow. Scratch <i>Limited Tire Clearance</i> off the list (nm) | næstep
Oct 21, 2003 6:36 PM | | |
| From that picture? How do you figure.... | Monte
Oct 21, 2003 6:55 PM | | that just from that picture. I can't say either way, just wondering how you could tell.
Monte |
| Compare it to the yoke on an '03 | næstep
Oct 21, 2003 10:35 PM | | It's not clear if the '04 chainstays are a limiter from the picture, but they definitely solved a limit imposed by the yoke on the '03.
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| Yeah, that's pretty obvious. nm | Monte
Oct 22, 2003 5:21 PM | | |
| It is. See how the yoke... | næstep
Oct 22, 2003 5:29 PM | | ...closely follows the curve of the tire (between the seat stay and chainstay) on the '03, but on the revised triangle it steers clear of it. It may not be obvious but it's readily apparent if you're looking for it.
næstep |
| Yeah, I saw that.... | Monte
Oct 22, 2003 6:54 PM | | once you see both together.
Monte |
| Found one more... | mtnbikerdude87
Oct 21, 2003 7:18 PM | | as I was doing my daily bike stuff surf....
It's a pic from www.ridemonkey.com
-mtnbikerdude87 |
| I think the Mongoose Hotlinks Suspension has it beat hands down | Hangdogdaddy
Oct 21, 2003 8:53 PM | | |
| Nice colors! | Lucky
Oct 22, 2003 6:12 AM | | Looks like they've taken a step toward improving rear tire clearance. Those paint jobs sure look nice! Hope the paint is done a little better and a little more durable than on the '03's. Not sure why I care, as you can barely see the paint on mine for the current thin layer of dirt and dried mud. ;^)
Kathy |
| Yeah, that orange is pretty cool! | Kpicha
Oct 22, 2003 7:17 AM | | Hopefully, they've thickened the paint jobs this year. Its nice to be able to put a bike up w/o it looking like it came through a battle.
Cheers,
Kristina |
| looks familiar | East Coast Dave
Oct 22, 2003 7:33 AM | | Anyone else think this is looking more and more like a Santa Cruz Blur? Not that thats a bad thing, but that looks a lot like Steel Blue Ano and Orange Ano. Actually could convince me to save a whole lot of money. Also interesting to see the 5th Air on there, wonder if it will be standard.
ECD |
| looks can be deceiving | Low_bias
Oct 22, 2003 8:15 AM | | I agree that it looks like a Blur. However, it doesn't work like a Blur. I made a kinematic model of the Hollowpoint using the software "Analytix" while I was shopping for a bike. I found that the instant center barely moves as the suspension moves through its travel. On average, the instant center stays pretty close to where you would find it on a Heckler.
Also, more plainly obvious is that both links rotate in the same direction. On a VPP design they rotate in oposite directions.
The Hollowpoint is also a bit heavier than a Blur. They sure a a bargin though. Those Supergo clearance Hollowpoints are almost worth it for the parts alone! At those prices it is probably a good choice for a lot of people. |
| looks can be deceiving | East Coast Dave
Oct 22, 2003 9:06 AM | | Hmm...all that sounds interesting but what does it mean to the layman? Is the frame less effective at eliminating 'bob' than a Blur? I think I know what you mean by the Instant Center staying about the same as a single pivot Heckler. But dont really understand the difference of which direction links rotate. If you could explain it simply, Id appreciate it. If not I will just look at the pretty pictures.
Agree it is a great price for the spec...would almost pay that even it didnt come with a frame.
ECD |
| looks can be deceiving | Low_bias
Oct 22, 2003 9:41 AM | | Translation: the hollowpoint will perform just slightly different than a good single pivot design. The design does not function anything like a VPP, although it looks like one. |
| mba gave it bad reviews | steve3
Oct 22, 2003 9:49 AM | | hope they fixed the issues, like the frame was much heavier than advertised, they broke the head tube, and the suspension bobbed like crazy. They said the 03 hollowpoints were not made to Dave Weagle's full specs due to manufacturing constraints. Sounds like a company that's trying to turn profits but pawning off a substandard product that wasn't fully developed.
The weagle design is supposed to be in place this year, as well as the butted (in reality, not on paper) tubes. |
| MBA review was a load of doodoo | Lucky
Oct 22, 2003 1:10 PM | | There was a response by Dave Weigle posted somewhere. Ridemonkey, I think. Apparently, MBA had the shock set up way off, and even said something to that effect in the review. They didn't break the head tube - they claim to have ovalized it, but Weigle says the claim is unsubstantiated. Also, there was only one run of bikes where the rear triangle was built a bit off-spec due to an unauthorized change at the factory. Those who have the off-spec units will find that the yoke hits the back of the seat tube when fully bottomed out. Iron Horse is replacing those rear triangles at no charge. Supposedly, MBA was supposed to publish a retraction for their garbage article, though I haven't seen it. I didn't look for it. I don't really care, as I happen to love my Hollowpoint, cheezy paint and all.
Kathy :^) |
| I'll second that | Kpicha
Oct 22, 2003 2:42 PM | | I was completely surprised at the way MBA described the ride of the bike b/c it was so far off my own experiences EXCEPT when my shock was underinflated-it gets really mushy then.
All in all, the Hollowpoint feels like it has a lot more travel than it does and it really floats over roots and rocks. The key to getting it to feel right, is getting the sag setup perfectly.
I haven't seen that retraction either- if its even out there.
Cheers,
Kristina |
| Heh, heh, heh, even a coupla' us gals can do a better job... | Lucky
Oct 22, 2003 4:59 PM | | of setting up a bike than those butt-heads. They'll never sell me a magazine.
Kathy ;^P |
| LOL! Yeah, I hadn't thought of it that way :) | Kpicha
Oct 22, 2003 6:34 PM | | Maybe we should start working for the mags and get paid for our opinions, oops, experience :)
Cheers,
Kristina |
| Agreed... | næstep
Oct 22, 2003 5:38 PM | | That review was off on so many levels, and represented nothing close to what other riders or even the other magazines experienced.
Seems like a bunch of people are quick to diss the Hollowpoint who haven't thrown a leg over it. Argue the mechanics of the dw-link if you will, but the real story is in the ride.
Part of my comfort level in choosing the bike is Dave Weagle is a regular poster on mtbr, hcor.net and RideMonkey and can go head-to-head with his suspension theory with the other suspension gurus, which says a lot. It's not hot air, it's not spin the bike backs it up.
MBA did themselves a disservice with that review.
næstep |
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