|   HECKLER front and rear shock reccomendations | sick4surf
Aug 10, 2002 8:06 PM | | so i have a 98' heckler with a marzocchi 98' Z1 front fork and a rock shock superdeluxe piece of crap on the rear....consider i'm on a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich budget.
first i'd like to upgreade the rear shock but to what? i'm a XC rider with light freeriding wishes....BTW do you measure a shock from center to center of the mounting holes? considering buying used.... do i go with spring or air rebound?
the front fork would have to be swapped later on but i was thinking on getting a used psylo 100-125mm travel.....want to stay under 30#
whaddya think? thanx in advance |
| re: HECKLER front and rear shock reccomendations | msc
Aug 10, 2002 8:46 PM | | I have the same bike but have a Fox Vanilla R rear shock which is okay and reliable, but the Heckler's are supposed to work very well with the Cane Creek air shocks. I have a 2001 Z5 coil 100mm fork which is plush and reliable and seems to match the rear.
The Cane Creek and Z5, Z4 or 2002 MXC or MXR shouldn't hurt your budget too much. You can trade your RS shock in on a new Cloud Nine or AD 12 to cut costs as well. I've used Cane Creeks on other bikes and have found them to be very reliable, work well and can be serviced at home very cheaply.
Just my 2 cents worth. |
| Depends on a few things............. | heff®
Aug 10, 2002 9:14 PM | | First, shock length is measured center to center, as you thought.
If you're over 160 pounds, stick with coil. Less than that, air will work fine. Keep in mind you'll also need to measure shock stroke.
Fork-wise............same really applies. If you're a lighter rider, a Psylo will work fine. At full travel extension, anything older than the '02 Psylo is noodly, and worse with disk brakes. If you're looking for cost, it's worth it in spades to look for a used or blowout Manitou X-Vert or X-Vert Super.
If you're in-between weights, I know this won't help much, but feel is alot of it. Personally, I don't like the ramped-up feel of an air shock or fork. I'd rather have a much more predictable coil spring setup under me. On the other side, an air shock is more tune-able, so if you like your ending travel stiffer with a more supple chatter bump reaction, air might be for you.
Over 180 pounds? Ditch air shocks totally, go coil.
heff® |
| re: HECKLER front and rear shock reccomendations | Mister Wiggles
Aug 10, 2002 10:53 PM | | Anybody know what the rear shock eye-to-eye and stroke measurements on a Heckler is? I have a Fox Float RL Itch rear shock, the one of the 2002 Specialized FSR Enduro with adjustable travel, and if it's remotely possible, I'd love to put it on the Heckler I just got off ebay.
Any chance? |
| re: HECKLER front and rear shock reccomendations | sick4surf
Aug 11, 2002 6:40 AM | | thanx for the replies....forgot to mention i weigh 130 pounds...if i go with a coil spring, how many pound spring should i look for?
BTW mister wiggles....i to i heckler shock mount is about 7 and 7/8" and the stroke(on my shock) is about 1 and 5/8" |
| 7 7/8 i2i, 2 inch stroke | derby
Aug 11, 2002 7:50 AM | | Stick with your Z1. The only smoother and more tunable forks are the new Fox forks. Although if you are a hard rider the Manitou X-Vert may be at better hard hits and bob a bit less but not as smooth at lower speeds. More than a 100 mm fork would be way too slack for the older Heckler.
Vanilla-R or Float-R in the rear. I had a Float-RC in the rear of my Superlight and was very happy with it. The Vanilla-R would have been better. You don't need a lockout, you'll never use it on that bike. You might not feel much difference between the Vanilla-R and the RS you have (I don't know I've never ridden the RS Delux) the basic design is probably very similar.
I suspect you may just be ready to get into a more fully active ride. The older Heckler/Superlight is a great bike coming from a hard tail. I'd say save your money and look for a good used Tracer frame and swap your components over. What you are thinking of spending on front and rear shocks, plus selling your Heckler frame (still very much in demand!) could get you very close to the cost of a used Tracer frame in good condition (look for one with a Vanilla-R rather than the Float, Fox sells springs for $25. Also get a front der and seat post with it since the Heckler's won't fit the Tracer). You will be very happy for many years again.
- ray |
| recommendations, upgrade nm | sp
Aug 12, 2002 3:14 PM | | |
| Been there done that.... | JCintheBA
Aug 12, 2002 11:31 PM | | I've got a '97 Heckler and I have hung a lot of different parts on it.
You dont want to go with a fork bigger than 100mm. I have a Z1 MCR on mine and at 5" it pushed terribly. I reduced the travel to 4" and it handles like a dream. Just like it did whin I had an old Z1 alloy on it.
As for the rear, you cant go wrong with a vanilla RC. It is super plush, super tunable and super reliable. You cant beat that.
As for all the "not active" stuff, don't believe it. Just about everyone is producing a single pivot bike that looks just like the Heckler. Judging by how many I see on the trail, they can't be that bad.
Good luck,
JC |
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