|   Fox Talas RLC | RMERREN
Mar 19, 2003 4:34 AM | | I would like to know if the Fox Talas RLC has a rebound lockout like Marzocchi. Any other comments about the fork would be appreciated; weight etc. |
| No, not the same type of lockout as Marzocchi (more) | AndyH
Mar 19, 2003 5:35 AM | | ...if you haven't already, I'd read through this thread from a few days ago. If you can get through the one-sided Marzocchi banter, there's some good info in there posted by Ventanarama (who has ridden both forks extensively).
dmz "TALAS RLC first impression" 3/18/03 9:08am |
| re: Fox Talas RLC | Martino
Mar 19, 2003 7:34 AM | | No, Fox unfortunately insists on the worst possible type of lockout. It freezes the fork at whatever level it is currently set. |
| Oh man, here we go again ;-) [NM] | AndyH
Mar 19, 2003 9:05 AM | | |
| lock out is for..... | DGC
Mar 19, 2003 8:21 PM | | Racing...... very little is achieved from trail riding with lock out. lowering the front end of a tall and or longer travel bike is another thing. Lowering not locking out though. in one instant Lock out on a short travel xc bike is acceptable when the front end is lower and steeper than a 4-5 inch travel bike. On a longer bike it make it tougher climbing because of locking the travel in the tallest mode. No need for lock out on 5 inch travel bikes/forks set up. |
| re: Fox Talas RLC | Chris_Stott
Mar 19, 2003 7:57 AM | | How on earth can it be "the worst possible type of lockout"? There are only 3 alternatives...
1. It locks out at a lower level than you've set the travel to
2. It locks out at the same level you've set the travel to
3. It locks out at a higher level than you've set the travel to
If we discount #3 as being a pretty stupid option, that leaves 1 or 2.
#1 allows the fork to pack down once locked... meaning the front end is lower, head angle steeper, steering faster.
#2 locks the fork at the travel YOU have determined suits the bike and your riding style best... the head angle is constant, steering constant, etc.
"The worst possible lockout" would seem to be obvious to me...
Regarding your question about the TALAS RMERREN. It does have a lockout... which you can adjust between fully locked or just much stiffer than normal via a fully adjustable blow off valve on the bottom of the right hand leg. They are a great fork, but they should be considering how much they cost! |
| Why a lockout is not a great option for a fork | Martino
Mar 20, 2003 7:57 PM | | For a rear shock it is perfect,it locks you at the steeper angle possible. For a fork is just stupid: it lock you at the slacker angle possible.
What you need is something that reduces your travel more then your normal (active) setting. No matter what you setting is. Why? I do not know if you noticed but when you climb you compress the fork --> reduce travel (even if you are already at 80mm). I cleared things with the ECC (down to 40mm) that I newer thought possible clearing
Martino
PS By the way I rode extensively both Fox (air and coil) and Marz. The only thing I do not like very much about the Fox is the lockout/travel reduction system which I think is just stupid but could be fixed, and I still think that the coils are much better. |
| Test ridden a TALAS yet? | J.S.
Mar 21, 2003 6:39 PM | | "PS By the way I rode extensively both Fox (air and coil) and Marz. The only thing I do not like very much about the Fox is the lockout/travel reduction system which I think is just stupid but could be fixed, and I still think that the coils are much better. "
Have you extensively ridden an actual TALAS as opposed to a FLOAT? The Fox Float is not the same as the TALAS. TALAS = Travel Adjustable Linear Air Spring, which is designed to simulate the more supple movement of coil without the inherent extra weight. Floats don't have linear air springs, so unless you've actually ridden a TALAS, you're not making an informed comparison.
Coil forks generally have better performance but are much heavier. The TALAS is the first long travel, travel-adjustable fork with linear movement.
Lockout is not very useful on suspension forks, but this is not the TALAS fork's main feature either -- it's the (linear) air spring. ECC is a fine feature, but if I had to choose between ECC and TALAS-movement, I'd go with TALAS to get the most responsiveness for the least weight. |
| re: Fox Talas RLC | J.S.
Mar 19, 2003 8:55 AM | | The TALAS forks already have variable travel/height selection, so the only feasible lockout is one that turns the fork rigid.
Sorry, but "worst lockout" is kind of reaching for something to critique... |
| re: Fox Talas RLC | kelly
Mar 19, 2003 2:38 PM | | I'm using a vanilla rlc.and the adjustable lockout is great,personally I would either save money and go with the r or go rlc. and have the adjustability to tune for your rideing.I have'nt found any downsides to it......kelly |
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