|   New shock pin/reducer assembly ala Fox/Titus? Can someone please... | Bikeless Rider
Jan 12, 2004 8:08 PM | | ...post a pic of this if you can, or offer a link that shows one? It's been described to me as being a more durable arrangement, but somehow I'm not picturing the structure or concept of it. Thanks. |
| Here... | Also with that ....
Jan 13, 2004 4:25 PM | | They offer it for both ends of the rear shock now, I had the one pictured above on my old SB.. & never replaced it again [ But that could depend on were you ride & the conditions, i dont ride it wet muckey stuff ] Now on my new SB the "Pin and threw sleeve" is on both ends of the shock..just call titus & ask them about it, there pretty much inexpensive |
| Thanks, I read through all the threads on that archive link and... | Bikeless Rider
Jan 13, 2004 9:50 PM | | ...was intrigued by the talk of the Igus polymer bushing, although I thought the Igus bushings were Delrin. What I don't get, is that if the Igus bushings last longer, why dont they come stock on the Fox shocks? I'm thinking it's the possibility of the Igus ones spinning and wearing the eyelet tab of the shock if they're not mounted properly.
Regaurding the Titus frames, I'm going through even more confusion now hearing contrasting stories about what sizes of RX 100s they're making, as well as it's geometry, how well the Talas Switchblade rides in the short and long travel modes, etc. I can see why many go with the tried and true HH. It's not a race bike they've tried to make trail ridable, it's a trail bike that's raceable, with good geometry to boot and no hassles to worry about. |
| Got that right... | The Squeaky Wheel
Jan 14, 2004 5:13 PM | | I used to ride with Ridethebike a lot before I moved to Vermot. He bought his Switchblade about the same time I bought my Hammerhead. He seems to go through those delrin bushings every few months.
I've yet to develop any play at those bushings on my Hammerhead.
Since both bikes are made by Titus and use the same materials, I can only conclude that the SB places a stress at that bushing which doesn't happen on the HH.
You just don't read about HH/RX owners having to replace those bushings too often.
Stick with the HH. You won't be disappointed. And try not to be bikeless for too much longer. I'm not bikeless, but it hasn't broken zero for a week up here and the wind chills are minus 50. Won't be riding until April. Ugggghhhh....
Squeak |
| I would talk to Charles, Speedgoat, or others on this site.... | Jaybo
Jan 14, 2004 9:50 PM | | However, I would never choose or not choose a bike because shock bushings wear out quicker on one faster then the other. It is like $13 at my LBS for replacement (or even less if I do it with a vice). They wear out twice yearly for most riders.
The Hammerhead is a a nice bike but short on travel for me. The 3.8" is so yesterday except for flat or smooth lander, racers, or effeciency fanatics.
The Turner 5 Spot is a yummy trail bike also (as I'm sure you are well aware. Laugh).
Jaybo |
| Well let's just say I'll be close to places like Moab where I'm. | Bikeless Rider
Jan 15, 2004 12:32 AM | | ...moving to, so I'm really just trying to find a bike that won't limit me too much without sacrificing climbing. I'm sure the extra wear on the SB vs the HH/RX is due purely to the FSR type design, had one myself and they always rotate more at that pivot. Then again, you're more likely to jump a bike like that which puts wear on the spot where the shock pin presses against the bushing. The only other thing besides seat lowering limitations, is the shock being exposed in the back. I agree, it's really not as big a deal as some are indicating, esp with the new hardware available.
What it really seems to boil down to these days in choosing a bike, is whether you consider yourself to be someone that wants to stay on the available trail systems (meaning typical sigletrack), or venture into off trail and "marked" trail (Moab and such) stuff that involves launching off lots of drops and negotiating large rocks that can't be steered around. The latter certainly leans more towards stunt riding, and one can only expect so much from a bike that's racing and endurance riding capable. I'm sure you know what I mean Jaybo, living in the NW as I do, whether you race or not, if you don't have a fairly light, good climbing bike, the lengthier (30-60 mile) trail loops we have on very hilly (sometimes 10,000+ feet per ride) and often steep alpine terrain, become more tedious and less appealing. Sometimes I'm torn between that and thinking the desert area I'm moving to, combined with my age, should make me look for more of a fun bike like you have, and not expect quite as long or hilly rides in my future. It's all just a very personal preference thing I need to sort out in the next month or so, after that all the parts I want will be available. |
| Well let's just say I'll be close to places like Moab where I'm. | The Squeaky Wheel
Jan 15, 2004 3:49 AM | | Bikeless,
Your logic is sound & I understand your plight.
Despite Jaybo's inane claim that 3.8 is "so yesterday," the HH can take plenty of abuse and delivers a fine smooth ride. Jaybo makes lots of statements which seem to originate from his own insecurities as opposed to experience. Sorry Jaybo, but I've watched you do it now for 2 years. Ever spend any real time on a HH? You don't seem to mind the travel on the Blur which you've proclaimed your favorite bike of all time. You'd come off as far more credible if you just based your statements on real experience and facts instead of conjecture and assumption.
Perhaps the wear on the busings comes from the fact that one is tempted to do more drops on a SB, but I doubt it. I think it's just part of the design. Like I said, I rode with Ridethebike for 2 years when I lived in Jersey. We rode the same terrain. He wore through his bushings and I didn't. Case closed.
I've also spent a good deal of time on a SB and still prefer my HH 95% of the time. I generally keep my wheels on the ground and don't drop anything more than 3' and the HH handles it all quite well. It really comes down to style & technique. Heck, the best riders I know live up in Stowe, VT and many of them switched back to riding hardtails after years on long-suspension bikes and they drop silly shit. I've seen these guys drop 15' without blinking an eye. It's all about the technique.
I have more of a slice & dice style as oppossed to bashing straight ahead. I like to pick my lines and not have the terrain dictate where I ride. I like the way the HH climbs & accelerates. I don't race, but do appreciate that instantaneous get up n' go of the HH.. Mostly it's personal preference. HH is just better for that type of riding.
A nod goes to the SB for larger jumps and riding through nasty rock gardens where picking a line is toughh.
But the HH beats it out for maneuverability, quickness, acceleration & weight by a long shot. And again, I have never felt limited on my HH and that includes riding through some gnarly east coast terrain.
I've ridden in Fruita a few times. And, as you know, I'm moving to Loveland this summer. Don't kid yourself...you'll see plenty of hills & endless rides where you're moving to.
Come down to Loveland this summer once you get settled. It would be fun to meet & ride.
Squeak |
| Didn't mean to get a flame fest started, let's just suffice it to... | Bikeless Rider
Jan 15, 2004 6:14 PM | | ...say Jaybo's happy with the excellent price he got on the Blade, and even if he gets another bike, it's no doubt something that many would like to have for it's versatility.
I wasn't just reffering to jumping causing the extra wear on the bushings, if you notice I first mentioned how much the lower shock bushing rotates compared to the RX/HH type. This is not just conjecture on my part, frame manufacturers and retailers are saying this as well. The more I hear you talk Skweak, the more your riding style sounds just like mine. Many of us no doubt have the skills to do the drops bigger than 3', but it's not just a longer travel frame that is needed for bigger stuff. Having heavier rims, tires, and spokes is a good idea for that stuff, but there goes much of your "get up and go" on epic XC rides. Rides where you can knock off lots of mileage and get in great views, preferably without feeling like you'd better rest a few days before the next one.
Thanks for the insight on the Fruita terrain, I guess maybe I'm not fully picturing it yet. I'm sure the hot summers can add to the effect when negotiating their climbs too. I really want to check out the riding in the area you'll be in too. I've seen some great stuff posted from that area. |
| Agree.... | The Squeaky Wheel
Jan 15, 2004 7:01 PM | | Agree on the frame design thing. I also have friends with an El Salty & Tracer and they too seem to go through the shock bushings quickly so it must be an inherent trait in the frame.
Wasn't trying to start a war either. Actually hoped my comments would be taken as constructive criticism but I see that my tone was a bit harsh. I'm glad Jaybo's happy and he seems like a good fellow, but I tire of his uniformed opinions at times.
I posted that response at 6am this morning with minus 25 (minus 50 with windchill) registering on my thermometer. I'll be sure to have my coffee first next time so I'm not so grumpy.
I just don't have the urge to do drops over 3' anymore. Those days are past. I guess a few years under the belt and a few kids can do that to a guy. But I have no doubt that the HH is up to the task. Sheesh...have you ever seen the pix that Lonnie from Hammerhead posts? My bike is light, but no stupid light. I use X3.1 rims, UST tires, a TALAS fork and an AVA shock (don't tell Titus) and the bike has plenty of get up'n'go. Sure I could drop 2-3# by swapping out some stuff, but then I'd be worried about breaking stuff. I walk that fine line between weight & durability.
i had the chance to ride with Larry Mettler from MtnHigh back in September when I was looking at homes. We only scratched the surface but the terrain seems excellent. Definitely different than the East Coast. Much more scenic & open but part of me will miss the dense single track forests which are endless up here.
Squeak |
| Agree.... | Also with that...
Jan 16, 2004 5:04 AM | | The Tracer, SB, FSR design is more likely to wear out those bushings faster because there is more stress at that position, i had to replace them once on my fsr & once on my first SB, I will say that since the pin & threw sleeve thinga majigs...i have not had to replace anything, bikes like the RX/HH even the superlight that have the shock in that position will last longer, I have a freind with a SL that just replaced his but also had to get a new bolt kit from santa cruz because they were bent [The bike is not ridden often, its the 2nd bike] but they lasted a few years. The pin & threw from titus is about 12.00$ or so, I agree choosing a bike should not depend on when you may have to replace a 5.00$ part, it's a wear & tear item like anything else, The HH is such a sweet ride, I opted for the talas SB because it can get kinda ruff in some spots here on the east, but there are other areas were its a little smoother, & i can dial it down, also the SB can be built up kinda light, I like the more travel...but like others have said the HH is no slouch.. just read the reviews on these bike....everyone cant be wrong!! either way ya cant go wrong |
| No doubt prolonged weather like that can make anyone cranky,... | Bikeless Rider
Jan 16, 2004 6:07 PM | | ...or should I say long to be cranking? I can't say I'd be curing it with coffee, the way my stomach, and nerves are. I agree with you about the dense singletrack forest, we've got some Olympic Peninsula singletrack here with old growth that's truly amazing, not to mention rides in eastern Washington and Oregon that have a good combination of dense forest and open, rocky terrain. One of my fave trails is in Hood River Oregon called Gunsight Ridge. It's not like your typical Washington ridge trails, which are quite often deeply eroded, dusty, and sun exposed. Gunsight is a 6000' ridge with a canopy of huge Ponderosa Pines, a pine needle carpet surface, interlaced with some nice imbedded rock and awesome sections of what the guys down there call plate talas (big pieces of flat talas) sometimes 100 yards long, or in sections just after a turn and before a tight passage between rocks ( I call them book ends). At the top you can rest a bit at some beautiful overlooks of Mt. Hood. The trail ends with a nice steep, semi wide switchback section on fairly smooth pine needle stuff that's very fast and shady. The key to Oregon keeping their alpine trail suraces so nice is requiring motorcycles to use the lower elevation ORV areas. While some might think this thinking would eventually endanger mt bike access, they've really done just the opposite for the last several years opening many trails to mt bikes. IMO, Oregon's National Forest Rangers and land managers are very open minded and forward thinking people, and Oregon should be higher on IMBA's list of best states to mt bike in. Let's not forget though, that Colorado is not without it's dense forest sections ala Breckenridge and such on the Colorado Trail and other trails nearby. I keep trying to think of the name of that place with the big rocks, south of Salida I think, which I want to check out too. OK, stick a fork in me I'm done, just thought you might be a bit bored with the weather you're havin' anyway. Next priority after the bike's gonna be a camera, so I can show you people the awesome places I like to ride without typing a novel! |
| Sounds sweet... | The Squeaky Wheel
Jan 17, 2004 4:18 AM | | the only views I get these days are of my basement walls while I run my spin bike.
It's actually quite beautiful here, but too damn cold. I read a funny thing in the paper today. It's been colder here than on Mars. The NASA lander was only reading minus 12. That must be the reason why Vermont is one of the least populated states. This place would be wall to wall with people if the winters weren't so cold. Actually, the view from my office is spectacular. Too the west about 1/4 mile away is Lake Champlain and the NY Adironadacks in the background. To the east is Mt.Mansfield which is the highest peak in the state and home to Smuggler's Notch & Stowe ski resorts.
I lived in Vail for several years and it's full of nice singletrack too. We have a family vacation home there which I've only accessed for skiing the past few years, but plan on making a regular summer destination as soon as I move.
Bikeless, truth is that you can't go wrong with either ride. You have analysis paralysis. I had a case of it 2.5 years back when I got my HH. I spent a good deal of time on an El Salty, Truth, SB, Tracer, Superlight and a few others before making my decision.
You'll likely love anything you get.
If things fall into place for me I may get a Ventana El Chamuco for those rough n' tumble days. I rode Larry Mettler's and really dug it.
Squeak |
| Not paralyzed, just waiting 'till everything I want parts wise is... | Bikeless Rider
Jan 17, 2004 4:18 PM | | ...available. Road the El Salt, Truth, SB (just a bit), Uzzi SL (almost identical to Tracer), and the Superlight's out of the question. The SB is the only thing that comes close to the RX I road, as far as my personal preferences. I guess I'm going through a bit of anxiety, not being able to commit to a full parts kit yet for lack of availability. I've always been one to hold off purchase 'till I know everything I want to go on the bike is available. I don't like last minute surprises when making a large purchase, been there before. Much of the bike talk I'm engaging in now can help me on down the road if I add another to my stable after the HH, which is very likely, because before I sold what I had, it was 3 bikes strong. Keep in mind Skweak, you have said yourself that although you've ridden and liked many bikes, you now prefer the HH, and ride it 90% of the time. Decisions like that aren't made over night. I'm waiting to hear back from Tommyrod on whether he thinks he likes the SB enough to give up the HH, as I haven't had much time on the SB to judge it. This will likely help me determine if another bike might be desirable later on, and how to set up the HH. |
| Actually, 99% of the time | The Squeaky Wheel
Jan 17, 2004 6:49 PM | | At this pont my stable consists "only" of my HH & hardtail, and the hardtail only gets ridden when friends come to town. But like I said, I'm thinking about El Chamuco for the rougher stuff. I really liked Larry's, but he himself made the comment, and I agree, that I wouldn't want it to be my everyday bike. It's a perfect complement.
When you say parts, are you referring to the compentry?
What are you planning to use for the build and what's not available yet? I'm guessing the new RF bracket/crank set. No?
BTW, what's bringing you to GJ? Job? Family? Mid-life crisis?
Me? I'm finally completing my post-grad training so this next job will be my first non-academic appointment and should (hopefully) be a permanent move. We're all pretty excited. |
| Yeh, mostly the RF 2 piece, I'm thinking Atlas mainly. Also, I'm... | Bikeless Rider
Jan 18, 2004 12:56 AM | | ...not totally decided on the pedals. If I can't get a test ride on the new Time ATAC XS, and don't hear from people that they're noticably smoother in float than the previous ones, then I'll probably just go 959s. The only other spec I'm not totally sure on, is the brakes. At my weight, and the way I ride, I think the Martas would probably work fine, just heard some stories from some that didn't like them, but you know how that goes. For the rest of the spec, I'm thinking: RLT 100, XO shift/der, King hubs, DT rims, Supercomp spokes, Thomson stem/post, Maxm bars, WTB saddle (Rocket Stealth), XT fr der, XT 11-34 cassette (11-32 when I get back in better shape), PC 69 chain, Schwalbe Big Jim Light tires, Oury grips. I may order the frame with the Float RL. I like what I'm hearing about them since Fox revalved the Propedal platform lighter for the RX type bikes. My thinking with the lockout is to get the remote that has a socket for the fork as well, and get the remote topcap if I decide I want to do alot of fast training rides and racing. I've not heard much about the lever feel on the lockouts that activate both, whether it's really stiff, or fairly light action. I just think it's the best way to go if you want to quickly engage a really firm sprintable feel. If I end up not using it much, I can just sell the remote kit and topcap.
My reasons for wanting to move , and to that particular spot are many. Mainly I need a much drier climate the way my sinuses are, without having overly hot summers like southern Arizona and such. I also want to be in a small town with less traffic, and closer to trails (Seattle's traffic is terrible). Economically, Grand Junction has a more affordable cost of living, and many available jobs of the type I've had experience with (grocery, and remodeling). Colorado in general, esp the western slope, is much more conservative, Seattle being the opposite, very loosely moraled and lots of anarchist types. I'm not overly political by any means, but I'll take conservative over liberal any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
You know, there just seems to be something about Colorado. Ever since the days of the first pioneers settling there, it's been a common place for people to seek out at pivotal points in there life, looking for "greener pastures" so to speak, or in this case, mt. meadows. Something about those majestic peaks, they just seem to beckon the will to live life for the moment. |
| Sounds like... | The Squeaky Wheel
Jan 18, 2004 6:04 AM | | your very weight conscious. Your build will likely come in a pound lighter than mine or maybe more. I have King headset/hubs/mix of XT & XTR drivetrain (mostly XTR except crank & cassette), TALAS fork, UST rims/tires, pc99, lock-on grips, thomson stem & post, WTB rocket saddle & Louise FR brakes.
Only suggestion I have is to consider Louise FR over Marta. Marta really isn't designed for the longer descents which CO has in abundance. It's only about a total 0.5 lb weight difference but a big difference in performance. I've been using Louise FR for 3 years and really appreciate the 180mm front rotor. I swapped out the rear 180 for a 160mm Marta rotor. Good combo.
I'm also waiting to hear reviews on the ATAC XS. My ATACs are 3 years old and have developed lateral play which is not repairable. My only beef with the ATAC is that the bars dig into the ridges on my carbon soled Shimano shoes (2 different pairs). I think, although really I'm not sure, that it creates a bit of wobble at the shoe/pedal junction.
Squeak |
| Yeh, you went and remarked on the one thing that was lingering... | Bikeless Rider
Jan 19, 2004 3:14 AM | | ...in the back of my mind as possibly being inadequate, (the brakes). Here I was thinking you were gonna say the fork, or the complexity of extra cables for the lockouts. Charles quite often refers to the Martas as being powerfull enough for his weight, but I don't think he's doing marathon rides and long descents much. I think the difference in weight between the Martas and the '04 180/160 Louise FR is even less than .5 lb. I considered the 180/160 Hope Mono Minis, but I don't like what I'm hearing aboout them. Titus UK emailed me back after asking about a demo SB they had on their site (didn't know it was a demo, or what they consider a demo to be). The bike had alot of Hope stuff on it, and seemed to be priced well. I was checking for a guy named Paulo from Portugal, who'd expressed an interest in Titus, as Intense was the only high end bikes he had access to there, and was not totally satisfied with them. The guys at Titus UK said so far they thought the '03 Minis were actually more powerfull, but may have not bedded in the '04s enough yet. You know how it goes with new brake designs, sometimes it's hard to tell how long that's going to take.
Yes I am weight conscious, as I plan to do very long rides with lots of climbing, my goal is 25 lbs for races and summer epics, 25.5 all around, with the everyday tires on (Big Jim Lights,or Vert Pros).
Retention bail rub is one thing I don't like about the old ATACs, it tends to get worse as the tread wears on your shoes. The XS should not be as bad with the new retention bars. I could go Egg Beaters or Frogs for the races and marathon stuff, and still hit 25 lb with the Louise FR.
BTW, what do you weigh and what does your bike weigh out at? Also, does the 180/160 setup feel unbalanced in power front to back vs the 160/160, some have mentioned a concern about this? |
| Specs... | The Squeaky Wheel
Jan 19, 2004 4:47 AM | | I haven't weighed my bike on an accurate scale for awhile, but using the old stand on the bathroom scale with bike then substract my weight method, I come in around 27.5# (medical grade bathroom scale). I originally had Velocity VXC rims, lighter tires and a Fox Float fork and it weighed a pound & a half less. 25# is definitely do-able with the right componenets.
As for the brakes, I actually think the 180/160 setup is perfect. The brakes are strong and the back still locks-up plenty easily with a 160. I'd be concerned about unexpected lock-up with the 180. A bunch of folks are running that setup, including Charles for a time as well as Jimi Fehrenbacker, the head Magura USA tech. I haven't spoken with Charles in awhile, but last I read he was using the Loiuse FR 180/160 setup.
This fall I bought a pair of Crank Candies and didn't care for them. I liked the weight savings over my ATAC carbons and feel almost identical in terms of float, engagement & release. But the hit-the-rock-and-foot-ejects things was killing me. I returned them to Performance bike and will likely get ATAC XS carbon in the spring (very pricey though).
As for the other stuff on your build, to each his own. I don't race. I did for 2 summers in the early 90's when I lived in Vail and did OK, but I don't have any more interest. I would consider being part of a 24h team.
I really like Magura. I've had the old style single piston Louise and Louise FR for 3 years and have been quite happy with the products and thrilled with the customer support. I've considered the Hopes but am also a bit leary. Louise FR is a safe choice.
Squeak |
| Yeh, 180/160 may perform well, but I forgot one thing, it voids. | Bikeless Rider
Jan 19, 2004 11:18 PM | | ...the !@#$%&* Fox warranty. I really don't get why Fox and Titus have to be so anal about the 180 front rotor and AVA shock thing. Many riders are saying they're going 180 on the Fox, but after having issues with them regaurding their inspection of my Alps 5R shock a few years ago, I'm having some thoughts of going with a different fork. Nothing out there is as light and stiff though. The Minutes are probably the only thing that comes close other than the Zoke Marathon SL. The funny thing is, when I asked Fox why they don't allow the 180s, they said it was due to the saftey tabs on the dropouts being stressed too much. If that's all it is, they could beef them up without adding much weight. The problem is though, usually when I call them this guy named Jason answers the phone. There are two Jasons there, and I always get the one that isn't up on the latest info. He didn't even know that there were two different valving levels of Propedal, you have to talk to Titus sometimes to find out stuff like that. David at 123Bikes was right when he implied that Fox having a staff consisting mostly of former Rock Shox employees is more of a negative than a positive. This he talked about after one of the guys at Fox tried to impress him with such info. Sometimes I think a few months after I get the bike I've been saving up for for so long, will be better equiped with some new suspension and brakes that I'll hear about, which as you know can cost several hundred dollars in upgrades. Bikes are getting more and more like computers, out with the old, in with the new.
So you thought the float on the Candy's felt the same as the ATACs? Did you know that the adjuster on the XS Carbons only has 3 positions, they add one lighter and one stiffer than the ones without adjusment, saying the middle position is about the same as the previous models? They told me the bearings are sealed just as well as the previous ones, but they spin freely with a flick of the fingers right out of the box, really smooth. Just looked at a pair of the Carbons in a LBS, they weighed only 2gm more than the 322gm claimed, but that very well could be the difference in scales or atmosphere, not that 2 friggin gms really matters. I think you'll like them, I seem to recall already having seen them on someone's site for $147.00, so look around. |
| Fox ????? | The Squeaky Wheel
Jan 20, 2004 4:31 AM | | Is Fox's policy on the 180 rotor only for the RLT or all models? Is the lack of reinforcement one of the reasons why the RLT is so light? That's news to me.
I hadn't heard that one before.
I've been running a 180 rotor for 3 years on 2 different Fox forks and I could care less whether they give the OK or not.
I dd think the Candy's felt the same as the ATAC minus the lateral float. I would have kept them if not for the scissoring action when striking rocks from below. It's a real phenomenon and it drove me nuts because the terrain here is quite rocky/rooty.
I think I would only get the ATAC XS carbon because I prefer the strength of the carbon body over the composite. The minimal weight difference doesn't faze me.
Squeak |
| I'm pretty sure that's their policy on all their forks, but... | Bikeless Rider
Jan 20, 2004 8:44 PM | | ...I'll double check with Fox. There's been a bit of talk about it on this and the brake forum by others, surprised you haven't seen it. I did some checking on the brakes and the Marta has the same stopping power of the Louise 160, according to Magura. I could put a Marta on the rear and a Louise FR 180 on the front and add only 80gm over the Marta front/rear. The Marta does lack automatic pad wear adjusters though, do you think that could be a problem on long descents having the front auto adjust and the rear not as far as lever balance goes?
BTW, you never told me your rider weight, curious if it's anywhere near mine, as this definately "weighs" into a brake choice, Im 165 lb. |
| I'm pretty sure that's their policy on all their forks, but... | The Squeaky Wheel
Jan 21, 2004 3:12 AM | | I'm also 165#. Far as I know both brakes adjust for pad wear but I could be wrong.
I'd recommend you email jimi@magurausa.com with that one.
My understanding with the Fox is that 180 is permissible, but not more than that.
Only 2 days left on this forum then it's time to permananetly move over to the dreadful new format for good.
Squeak |
| Yeh, I hate the new format too, you'll no doubt see that in some | Bikeless Rider
Jan 21, 2004 6:17 PM | | ...of my posts. I'm beginning to swear off (literally) mtbr in general, seems like they don't care what third world country or scam business they support to run these forums. David (DGC) just left 123bikes, and I figured that would happen soon. I got into a beef with one of their salsemen, that insisted he thought I wasn't really interested in buying a bike from them just because I mentioned one other quote I was waiting on (HH), and wanted to compare that to their quote on a SB. Even Charles seems to be giving me the bums rush, over three months and still no quote on a build that's almost identical to the bike he rides. I resisted posting about it several times. I hear others trying to restrain their greif over it, but why should we have to kiss ass just for a damn quote? Do most shops these days expect us to give them a credit card number and authorize full payment before we even get a price? If it comes to that, I'll either give up the sport completely or just get a cheapo Specialized and do simple short rides until I've had my fill. I pretty much ride by myself anymore with all the punks and drug addicts into the sport anyway. |
| Whoa.... | The Squeaky Wheel
Jan 21, 2004 6:46 PM | | that's serious flame bait. Sounds like I'm not the only one who is a bit grumpy about the weather. Sorry you have to wait on that HH. I waited 4 months which included several unexpected delays, none of which were Charles' fault.
I guess good things come to those who wait.
Hang in there.
I really don't like the new format but I still haven't found a better forum. I've been active on MTBR for 5 years and I've picked up so much info that I'm willing to deal with the new format. I've also developed an eye for the legit posters which helps me wade through the new posting format.
Squeak |
| You have got to be kidding! Laughing. | Jaybo
Jan 16, 2004 8:55 PM | | You are so stuck on trumping that flipping Hammerhead it is sick. I do think 3.8" of travel is yesterday for many riders who like to ride rough trails! Big deal. My opinion. Get over it.
I have ridden a lot of bikes. However, I have never claimed to be an expert. I almost always preface my opinions by saying just that. This site is always about opinion because it is almost impossible to quantify fun.
Yes, the Hammerhead is a good bike. I just think the bikes lack adjustability and travel.
Jaybo |
| You have got to be kidding! Laughing. | The Squeaky Wheel
Jan 17, 2004 4:10 AM | | Jaybo,
You're simply a putz.
'nuff said. |
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