|   re: Wow, but lighten up on Nino he made a mistake! | Steve A
Jan 28, 2003 10:47 AM | | Nice stuff I have ordered one from StarBike in Germany about four to six weeks for the US. Also a lot of cool tips have come from Nino, with some nice photos with weights, he made a mistake,no biggie but I can bet He will get one, I did notice his current stem is lighter. |
| So, is the one in the picture 120mm? | pedalAZ
Jan 28, 2003 10:47 AM | | Looks shorter in the pic. |
| that`s good news!... | nino
Jan 28, 2003 10:59 AM | | I don`t feel "guilty" at all.I always said i will believe it as soon as someone weighs one for real.
"I stop doubting the Syntace weights as soon as someone has the REAL weights."
anyway- I always said i weighed a 120mm size which really was around 130g.now that`s nothing too special since there are lighter stems out.I also said that low weight might be possible in short lenghts which seems to be the case.
BUT hey:
that`s a real nice weight for a mass produced part.I just wonder what it weighs in 120mm lenght. |
| you construe it like you need it... | carbonmichael
Jan 28, 2003 11:13 AM | | You always said you will believe it as soon as someone weighs one for real?!
From
"sorry guys,but this stem doesn`t weigh 99g...
forget about this one"
to
"that`s a real nice weight for a mass produced part" |
| no,not at all... | nino
Jan 28, 2003 12:22 PM | | just read all my messages.
I sure doubtet that weight but i also said it must be at a short lenght which IS the case.
I always referred to a 120mm lenght stem i weighed personally at the Milan bike-show which was heavier.
so what?
the shortish Syntace stem weighs indeed 99g.cool!as i said that`s very good news for everyone. |
| Nobody is perfect. | Batas
Jan 28, 2003 11:01 AM | | You are not being very polite with Nino. Nobody is perfect you know?! How many accurate weight´s did he provided so far? And how many people did he helped so far? I know he helped me! So, can we discuss things and not being so rude? |
| polite? why? ask nino to stop being so damn arrogant | stump
Jan 28, 2003 6:17 PM | | nino needs to be more modest, i think that if nino is at least a fraction of the rider he think he is he should be riding the world cup ( pro class of course). i just dont know why he isnt a professional downhiller... he is always the fastest even on the road..... give me a break! |
| No break | BadHabit
Jan 29, 2003 7:51 AM | | I'd like to express my sincere wish that nino continues his level of participation here. In my opinion, the information he provides is extremely valuable. It is not useful to resent superior commitment and knowledge. |
| Rebut, don't be a Butt :-( (nfm) | wfl3
Jan 28, 2003 11:21 AM | | |
| "Trust, but verify," as some US Secretary of State once said... | Wrenchester
Jan 28, 2003 12:02 PM | | It's reassuring to see the proof. Now that we know this one's really as light as the manufacturer claims, I wonder how it fares in the stiffness category. Anybody here ever used one? |
| I thought Ronald Reagan (RayGun)..... and Nino | Wasatch Walt
Jan 28, 2003 12:33 PM | | I think it is great to have somebody as enthusiastic as Nino being such a strong contributer .... even if he is a little bit over the top now and then. His energy really makes this forum quite good. Can't there be a little grace? |
| Agree with you on this one. | TNC
Jan 28, 2003 6:29 PM | | Nino's a good contributor. He expresses his opinions but brings lots of good facts to the forum. He does it in fairly civil manner, and I think has some respect here. If there wasn't any respect, I don't think the poster would be making such a big deal about Nino's post. No one should be trusted 100% anyway. That's why we have a forum that exchanges lots of information both speculative and factual--a nice check and balance. |
| Crow.... | Zonic Man
Jan 28, 2003 5:08 PM | | ...it's what's for dinner. |
| I had to eat my | pedalAZ
Jan 29, 2003 8:15 AM | | lunch last week. Good thing that's all I promised I would eat if I was wrong (which I was, sort of). It was pretty good, a carnitas burrito from Armando's. But Crow? No thanks! |
| I still don't see where Carbonmichael says what size.... | KMan
Jan 29, 2003 8:03 AM | | stem he weighed! Nino says he weighed the 120mm version, CarbonMichael says Nino is wrong and post his picture to prove it.....a few people ask to verify what size stem he weighed, maybe I missed it, but I never saw him answer the question.
What size stem did you measure!
If its the 90mm version, what an idiot he is for starting another flame episode
If its the 120mm version than he is correct.
This is all assuming he is not using the Tare feature to fabricate a light weight for hostile reasons????
KMan |
| 105 mm with Ti bolts... | carbonmichael
Jan 29, 2003 10:46 AM | | according to the description where the picture is from:
http://www.starbike.com/images/syntace/f99.htm
The claimed weight of 99 g is for the 105 mm version with Ti bolts.
So you think it's possible, that the 120 mm version weighs 130 g, when the 105 mm version weighs 99 g?
And additionally you accuse the guy who made this photo,
that he used the tare button on the scale.
That's poor, very poor...
Have you realized, that the name F99 has something to do with the weight and not with the price? Would they've called it F99 if it would weigh more? I don't think so.
But maybe you're just a claimant of those notorious FSA XC-120 stems.
Then I can understand your position a little bit.
But Syntace is not FSA. |
| 105 mm with Ti bolts... | dbAbuser
Jan 29, 2003 11:14 AM | | ok, smart guy, if the name is because of the weight, what do they call the longer versions? |
| Why...... | divve
Jan 29, 2003 11:46 AM | | ....F99+ of course:) |
| That would be the FU | pedalAZ
Jan 29, 2003 12:07 PM | | followed by the reversable model FU2, and for the equestrians, the FU & the Horse You Rode in On. |
| 105 mm with Ti bolts... | KMan
Jan 29, 2003 12:53 PM | | accusing would be someting along the lines of "I think the photo was taken using the tare button" or "I think the posted weight is BS in the photo and the weight was probably fabricated". In my post I just stated that it could be a possibility as we have had some "posters" here in the past that would post about anything just to get an argument going and causing a lot of name calling. I am the last person to accuse anyone of anything, I just like seeing the facts!
Now back to my original point. Nino posted the weight for the 120mm version and you posted the weight for the 105mm version, but call him out as a liar. (not the exact words but I'm not going back to look at the original post). Looks like he was right with the original weight he posted.......don't hear any apologies from you though.
KMan |
| 30% more weight for 15% more length in the tubing section? | justme
Jan 29, 2003 1:28 PM | | Did you read my post?
justme "Nino has weighed the wrong stem" 1/25/03 1:58pm
Left one: F 99 ---- Right one: Superforce
 
They nearly look the same, but the Superforce is exactly at the weight Nino posted for the F 99. |
| Even more reason why those weights are possibly wrong.. | DIRT BOY
Jan 29, 2003 1:41 PM | | You can see that the Superforce has larger tubing than the F99.
That is one way a manufacturer can get lighter weight. Using a larger diameter tubing can lower the weight. This is why Extralite Stems are so lite. They use a large tubing to achieve a lighter weight and a stiffer stem. Same with Klein bicycles using very large diameter top tube on the 2003 Bikes. Lighter and stiffer.
Could I be right here?
Hmmm..Something is up with this stem. Until someone weighs one again we will never know..
DIRT BOY |
| believe me - it was the F99 i weighed... | nino
Jan 30, 2003 2:33 PM | | the Syntace booth was making such a hype out of it that i had to weigh it...most regulars here know that i always carry my digi-scale with me when going to bike shows just to make sure they tell you the truth.so i asked this guy to hand me the stem.it was a 120mm lenght (i repeat: 120mm) which was hanging there with a big poster saying it was 99g...but it weighed around 130g."around" because i don`t even remember the exact weight anymore.it was too heavy so i didn`t even take care to have it listed on my sketch block...then the Syntace-guy told something about Ti-bolts that would save 30g...that was the point i went on with a big smile on my face because he outed himself as a real stupid guy.
if you read all my posts about this stem again you will see that i already talked about this guy and the Ti-bolts and such...
...and believe me - i know exactly which stem i weighed!
but still:
that`s an amazing weight for a mass produced stem.so far the Ritchey WCS set the "pace" in this category. |
| I do. We know you don't go anywhere with your scale! (NM) | DIRT BOY
Jan 30, 2003 4:57 PM | | |
| maybe the one you weighed was a pre-production version. nm | stump
Jan 30, 2003 5:59 PM | | |
| Stump, Do you really think a 99g stem would weigh 99.2g? | DIRT BOY
Jan 31, 2003 5:19 AM | | To me it's obvious this is a fake. Too close to a perfect production run, especially from a mass produced product. Have you noticed this "carbonmicheal" is no longer responding? He is just a troll trying to start trouble on the board again. Maybe the new stem is lighter and Nino did weigh a early production one, but the way this thread is and was going I am very suspicious. Have carbonmicheal ever had a post on this board? I never heard of him. Who has more credibility, Nino or him?
As far as I am concerned I am done with this topic.
Just my lowly opinion.
DIRT BOY |
| I'm just tired... | carbonmichael
Jan 31, 2003 7:31 AM | | ...to post the same arguments, while you seem very persistent in posting your "I want to believe in Nino"-comments full of wild guesses, accusations and insults.
Just one sentences to your last topic: do you really think a 99g claimed stem would weigh 130g real?
And just for information: I didn't make the photo, I just found it there.
That doesn't change my opinion. |
| ?..My opinion is the same too..YOU ARE A TROLL.... | DIRT BOY
Jan 31, 2003 11:43 AM | | Please just go away. We dont need this crap here.
DIRT BOY |
| i dont know dirtboy, he said that the pictures came from..... | stump
Jan 31, 2003 4:40 PM | | that store correct? so i think that someone here should ask that store to send us a picture with the weight of that stem. this way we will see if he is telling the truth.its seems to be interesting to the store to post a picture of a smaller sized stem instead of a "normal" sized one. i dont know carbonmichael so, i cant tell nothing about him yet.
i dont dislike nino,i think he is a little arrogant sometimes, but except this he is very helpful and always helped me when i needed his sugestion.
so , lets stop with this stupid war. |
| there's a bigger picture... | justme
Feb 1, 2003 4:01 AM | | when you click on the small picture:
http://www.starbike.com/images/syntace/f99.htm |
| That weight might be correct or not...My reasons... | DIRT BOY
Jan 29, 2003 12:18 PM | | Reasons why the stem weight my be correct:
If you look at the Extralite UltraStem UL ans it's weight:
I weighed a 130mm that came in at 113g and a 90mm that was 97g!
All UltraStem UL come with Ti Bolts.
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Now the UltraStem cam in slightly higher in a 100mm size, 106g.
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The Syntac Stem is very close in shape and design with the Extralite stems so this is possible.
I don't Have ANY info on other Syntac products on how they are with their weight accuracy.
I just find it weired that Nino says he weighed that stem and the weight was drastically off. 99% of the weight Nino post are accurate and true. No maybe there was some type of mistake on a bad pre-production model he weighed and Syntac has got it right.
Reasons why the stem weight my be may not be correct:
I find it weird that this guy was arguing so bad about the weight and trying to disprove Nino finding that he produced a picture that the weight was practically dead on with it's weight. That stem came within .2g of it's "Claimed Weight?" I have never seen a manufacturing company come within such exact weight of a product. Best I have seen the bike industry is Extralite.
Even other form of products I have sold like never come with that small of a fraction of their exact claim. That is whey to close of being dead on. Maybe I have not been lucky with weights. I have seen lighter and heavier than claimed but within .2g??? Doesn't anyone find this funny?
This could be done with a Tare feature on the scale or even photoshop. Maybe he wanted to disprove Nino so bad he lied.
I don't know this carbonmicheal and never saw a post from him until now. So I can not pass judgement as this would not be fair. But I do know Nino well over the last year or so and find him to be an honest and good guy with me on and off this forum.
I guess our best way of finding out is for a trusted regular to buy one then post the weight. Someone we can trust. Anyone else?
Look this is starting to go like those ^Dr. Evil^ threads we had a while back. Let's not get like that again with insults and posting problems like we had. carbonmicheal posted his insights and so did Nino, no you go and make your decisions about it.
DIRT BOY |
| hey DIRTBOY, whats the difference between ..... | stump
Jan 29, 2003 6:08 PM | | whats the difference between the ultrastem ul and the standard ultrastem? only the ti bolts? why the ul version is soo expensive?
thanks very much |
| just Ti-bolts and some polishung... | nino
Jan 29, 2003 11:23 PM | | the difference is that the UL comes with Ti-bolts and is polished.
the tiny Ti-bolts alone are just 5g lighter.according to Sergio Riva the polishing isn`t really a weight saver and its weight is similar to the regular Ultrastem.
I have 2 black Extralite Ultrastems in 120mm lenght here:
with steel bolts 113g
with Ti bolts 108g
Ti-bolts on a Ritchey WCS stem ( which seems to have the same size bolts as the Syntace ) save 12g.
so if we take that Syntace weight i weighed at the Milan bike-show which was AROUND 130g and subtract 12g that Ti-bolts would save we would have a 120mm Syntace stem weighing in at ca. 118g - that would make sense for me and is a weight which seems to be realistic. |
| Nino is correct. Also someone has to Polish that stem by hand... | DIRT BOY
Jan 30, 2003 3:19 AM | | there is where the cost factor lies. BUT for some reason Extralite warns do put Ti bolts on the UltraStem. This will void the warranty.
I thought it was the same stem?
I don't know. It's not worth saving 5g or so for any problems...
DIRT BOY |
| Extralite Ti-bolts... | nino
Jan 30, 2003 4:20 AM | | I got the Ultrastem with Ti-bolts from Sergio Riva.no problem.
I guess it`s just when you try to put Ti-bolts from another manufacturer that you void the warranty.those bolts are very slim and the heads are also different,smaller than most regular bolts. |
| Funny, I never thought about asking for them like that. I am... | DIRT BOY
Jan 30, 2003 5:39 AM | | going to see what the price difference will be. This way i can sell them that way.
Once again Nino, thanks!
Ich erhielt die Eklipseventile, danke!
DIRT BOY |
| now that we're speaking in code... | divve
Jan 30, 2003 9:05 AM | | Kann ich auch irgendwo die Eclipse Ventile kaufen? |
| now that we're speaking in code... | nino
Jan 30, 2003 10:19 AM | | kontaktiere mich:
luckynino@freesurf.ch |
| Ich versuche nicht, im Code zu sprechen. . | DIRT BOY
Jan 30, 2003 11:38 AM | | I wa just trying to thnak Nino for a personal favor. That's all!
I thought it would be nice to say it in something esle besides English. I can't translate in to Swiss so I used German.
That's it!
DIRT BOY |
| there is no real written swiss language... | nino
Jan 30, 2003 3:14 PM | | switzerland is a tiny little country but it has 4 official languages:
german
french
italian
rumantsch
that`s the "official",written languages.but the real swiss-german hasn`t any grammar!it`s so different from real german that most germans don`t even understand us.there are so many different "slangs" that some are even hard to understand by the swiss themselves...really! |
| quale Martino? (nm) | nino
Jan 31, 2003 12:09 AM | | nm |
| Funny, I just sent you an e-mail asking the same question! | B R H
Jan 30, 2003 11:04 AM | | |
| Keep your posts clean & informative or just shut up and go away! | DavidG
Jan 29, 2003 12:37 PM | | CarbonMichael,
Please do us and yourself a favor:
Any posts related to the subject of this forum (ie bike and component weights) are more than welcome. Keep 'em coming!
However, if you have an irresistable urge to interlace your posts with unrelated and nasty personal comments about Nino or anyone else on this forum, I for one would prefer that you shut up -- or preferably just stay away and leave us to do our thing in peace.
Please, make your choice and then abide by it.
DavidG
d_glassman@hotmail.com
PS Anyone notice that all the flamers seem to hide behind an alias with no contact details? Does anyone know if they all also ride yellow bikes? |
| Hey...watch the Yellow Bike comment........ | KMan
Jan 29, 2003 12:57 PM | | I use to ride a yellow bike....right after the red one and before the blue one.
KMan
:) |
| carbonmichael, you should respect davidg´s boyfriend !!! :) nm | stump
Jan 29, 2003 5:47 PM | | |
| Actually, Stump... | DavidG
Jan 30, 2003 3:26 PM | | Nino is simply someone who I contacted via the forum when looking for advice and who has selflishly helped me -- like he has many others on this forum -- in my weight-weenie pursuits.
Where I come from, this sort of behavior is applauded and not ridiculed. Unless it's by those who have a major inferiority complex, but then that wouldn't be you, would it?
Please do me and the rest of us a big favor and keep your comments on this forum civil and professional (and preferably related to the subject of the forum). Otherwise, please shut up and go away; you're wasting my time and frankly you're not worth it.
DavidG
d_glassman@hotmail.com |
| hey david, take it easy, it was just a joke ok? | stump
Jan 30, 2003 5:57 PM | | thats why i put the :) in the end of the line... i know you and nino are good friends.
by the way, could you send me a list with some of the parts that you have for sale? if you can send pictures i will apreciate.
please acept my apologies |
| My apologies, Stump, I was a bit quick on the trigger... | DavidG
Feb 2, 2003 7:17 AM | | Carbonmichael had put me in the wrong frame of mind with his nasty attitude and your comment caught me before I had had a chance to calm down...
I apologize if I misunderstood your meaning and if I responded too harshly. I have no problem with constructive criticism -- even if it's directed at me or Nino ;-) or anyone else for that matter -- it's only when the criticism gets nasty and mean that it makes me angry.
I will send you my list of parts for sale ASAP. Are there any specific components you are looking for?
DavidG
d_glassman@hotmail.com
PS If you want to use emoticons (those little smiley symbols) to show that you are saying something in jest, the correct symbol would be " ;-) " -- ie a smiley with a wink. The regular smiley symbol " :-) " shows that you are smiling. |
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