|   And what about ellsworth truth... | xc-rider
Apr 15, 2003 1:08 AM | | Hello,
Yesterday I asked you about titus racer x frame, but this morning I learned that I can have a truth frame for a good price.
Between racer x and truth...what's your oppinion ?
I've never seen on the forum anyone with a truth...if someone tried or have it, please help me !!!
regards
xc rider |
| What type of ride are you looking for? | wfl3
Apr 15, 2003 1:46 AM | | The Racer-X will be a little racier feeling, a little stiffer and a little more efficient pedaling wise - to me it felt like a nicely laid out XC hardtail that would take the edge off of the rough stuff.
The Truth will feel more plush over the rough stuff (with an air or coil shock), yet it's still quite an efficient climber as well. It really shines in moderately paced, rough, technical singletrack.
Basically, if you're looking for a FS race bike I'd get the Racer-X and if you're looking for a more compliant trail bike I'd get the Truth. Obviously this is just my opinion and either one of these frames will work great in most XC applications. As info: I've owned an '01 Truth for 2 years now and have never regretted buying it. |
| What type of ride are you looking for? | xc-rider
Apr 15, 2003 2:44 AM | | Hi wfl3,
I've seen your truth on light-bikes.com , it looks great, and you have also a racer x ?
Your oppinion is very interesting, but when I read it I thought about something : maybe you think racer x is better for xc because you have a 100mm travel fork on the truth, but do you think it's the same with a 80mm fork on the truth (I use fox 80rlt).
It's really difficult to choose, I'll use it on xc races, but more and more I'm going to xc "fun", long distances, race marathons...but not in the way of short xc track very speed.
Do you see what I mean (sorry my english in not perfect ;-) )?I want a bike to ride xc but xc with a lot of fun !!!
If that can help you for advices, I'll take a small size.
So why should I choose the truth or the tracer x :
tracer x because maybe it's better for a little (1,70m and 60kg) xc rider like me, because I love titan (look on my litespeed http://perso.wanadoo.fr/mesvelos.seidel/les_velos/litespeed_pyf/unicoi_de_pyf_2003.htm )and I can choose titan or not titan on the tracer X, because I read that service and advice is very efficient with Titus...
truth because I can buy it with a good price directly in France (titus I have to order directly from titus in usa), it looks so beautiful in black, it's a bit lighter.But the bad point is that I read on mtbr reviews that the quality isn't always perfect and the service is really really bad !!!
I hope these informations can help you in my choice.
Regards
Xc rider |
| I've only used a 100mm fork on the Truth... | wfl3
Apr 15, 2003 4:06 AM | | ...so an 80mm may make it handle a little more like the Racer-X I rode w/ an 80mm fork on it. I don't own a Racer-X, but have had the opportunity to take one for a spin on some local trails.
The Racer-X will still be a little more efficient, while the Truth will be more compliant (plush). I think the Truth would be the perfect choice for marathon/12hr/24hr type racing - it's efficient enough and will keep you from taking a beating on rough courses which should help stave off fatigue.
The Truth was just plain more fun to ride in my opinion - realize my opinion is based on my emphasis of comfort being a little higher in priority than efficiency.
As far as service goes, Ellsworth seems pretty good in my limited experience. My rear disc tab was was about 2mm out of alignment (didn't know about the gnann-o-mat 2 years ago) and I didn't think this was acceptable on a frame of this cost, Ellsworth replaced the swingarm for me immediately. No further issues for me in 2 years of riding - I weigh about 170lbs. They have always responded quickly to any questions I've had also.
Don't think you can go wrong with either bike here and you'll probably be pleased with the quality and ride which ever way you decide - the decision is always the tough part. At your size I'd go with the Truth as either bike will be plenty strong and stiff for your weight and the Ellsworth will give you that little bit of extra suspension for the fun factor. Put on a fork that you can use at 80mm or 100mm and you can change the ride of the bike to accommodate your preference for different rides. |
| Tell me more about the disc tabs | Sunny
Apr 15, 2003 8:03 AM | | were they too far outboard, or the other way around. |
| Too close to the rotor or inboard... | wfl3
Apr 15, 2003 10:06 AM | | ...the rotor would rub the inside pad even w/o any shims and the alignment was off a little (not square with the dropouts). One them Magura gnann-o-mats probably would have fixed this right up. |
| Did you have to use any shims afterwards? (nm) | Sunny
Apr 15, 2003 1:33 PM | | |
| Some very thin ones, less than 1 mm (nm) | wfl3
Apr 15, 2003 3:36 PM | | |
| is fork with 100mm travel is the only way on truth ??? | xc-rider
Apr 15, 2003 3:05 AM | | I ask that because I've continued reading reviews on mtbr and some people say they had change the 80mm fork for a 100mm because the geometry is not very good with 80mm.
Do you agree ? |
| You can run either an 80mm or 100mm fork on the Truth.... | AndyH
Apr 15, 2003 4:37 AM | | ...with the 80mm fork the bike will feel a bit more "racy", while the 100mm fork will provide a nice balanced feel with the rear-end. I've got my Truth setup with a Fox Float 100RLC fork and love it. This is my second Ellsworth Truth and I've had nothing but good experiences with the frame and with Ellsworth the company. |
| with a 80mm fork... | xc-rider
Apr 15, 2003 5:58 AM | | do you think the bike can be too handy and not stable ?
What is the size of yours ? medium ?
What do you think of all these parts on a black anodized truth small size ? if I take the truth my bike can be easily under 24lbs...not too much ;-) |
| Hey XC-Rider, What is the name of that stand?... | Wirth
Apr 15, 2003 8:14 AM | | What brand of stand is that in the back ground of you pic?? |
| There is not a real name I think...it's a stand...but different | xc-rider
Apr 15, 2003 9:05 PM | | |
| I think you'd be fine with an 80mm fork.... | AndyH
Apr 16, 2003 4:40 AM | | ....prior to installing my 100mm Fox fork, I had an older Marzocchi Atom Bomb fork which has (I think) 65mm of travel. The steering did feel a little twitchy, but I really only noticed the difference after I switched to the 100mm fork. I think an 80mm fork would be fine.
What is the size of yours ? medium ?
Yes, mine is a medium.
What do you think of all these parts on a black anodized truth small size ?
Personally, I'd prefer all black parts on a black Truth....but that's just my personal preference.
BTW, here's my older 1998 Truth:
Cheers,
-AndyH |
| re: And what about ellsworth truth... | sparklenuts
Apr 15, 2003 6:49 AM | | I have a 99 truth. I do not agree that the racer x is stiffer. I would say that it is exactly the opposite. I am a big guy and a stiff frame was a huge cosideration. The Truth has that. Just look at the way the two are constructed. I did not sense any "racier" feeling from the racer x. My 2c! |
| re: And what about ellsworth truth... | Silent Bob
Apr 17, 2003 7:31 PM | | I have on 01 Truth. It offers a very nice package for trail riding. Plush and efficient. |
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