|   2.4 Mutanoraptor race & Stans? Anyone....anyone.....Bueller? | TomFL
Jul 11, 2003 7:02 AM | | |
| Good for general riding abuse. | B R H
Jul 11, 2003 7:22 AM | | The WTB tires that I have tried so far (MutanoRaptor Race 2.4, NanoRaptor Race 2.1) work great with Stan's and have tighter fitting beads than most (on Mavic 317s at least). I have been tried alot of tire combinations over the past few months and have settled on the MutanoRaptor Race 2.4 up front and Python AirLite 2.0 in the rear for general trail riding here in northern CA summer months. This combination has worked great for everything from loose sharp rocks, round babyhead stuff, fast hardpack, sand, roots, loose gravel, etc. The MutanoRaptor isn't the best in softer conditions, mud, lots of pine needles, or wet roots though. You also have to run fairly low pressure for it to work. I run 30 psi and weigh about 170. Much more and it tends to wash out too easily. It feels quite fast for it's size and is a surprisingly stable tire at such low pressure... surprising because it has a very thin sidewall and is overall quite light given it's large size. I have had no flats yet up front but the NanoRaptor lasted all of about 15 minutes on sharp rocks. The Python is holding up much better but I have had 1 flat that Stan's wouldn't seal (>1/4" cut from sharp rocks). I have used the MutanoRaptor up front for the better part of 4 months or so and am continually amazed at the abuse it stands up to. |
| yep | Karkus
Jul 11, 2003 7:45 AM | | I've been using them for 1 year with Stans. I weigh 140 and run ~30 psi. Recently had a small sidewall cut but my sealant had run dry, so I don't know if it would have sealed it or not. Will find out soon. I like those tires a lot for Colorado/Utah riding and think they wear well and stand up to abuse well for their weight. That was the first sidewall cut I had, which is surprising considering the number of sharp rocks around here. |
| Bufulo | TomFL
Jul 11, 2003 10:18 AM | | Thanks for the reply.It kinda scares me though. I had nothing but problems with python airlights and Stans strips. That setup kept burping air. Gave up on the pythons. That was on a set of velocity synergy rims, though.
Have you had this problem with the pythons, or with the Mutanoraptor 2.4 "race"?
Pretty much want to try mutanos F&R on my trail ride for floatation in the deep sand we have here in the summertime. Hope they work well in it, although they won't be a race setup.
Thanks for the info
-T |
| Bufulo | danny K
Jul 11, 2003 12:05 PM | | You probably know Team WTB set some records this year at Laguna riding the 2.4 Mutano Raptor Race tires.
I love mine. |
| Didn't know that... | B R H
Jul 11, 2003 1:19 PM | | but I recently rode with Mark Weir (sp?) from that team and he is quite the strong rider! I was skeptical at first when he pulled up with this big heavy Ellsworth Dare (with super heavy WTB downhill tires) for the long climb out of Downieville. |
| Were you amazed that weir did it on the downhill bike in 1:57??? | Zonic Man
Jul 11, 2003 2:35 PM | | That's just sick if ya ask me. |
| I don't know. | B R H
Jul 11, 2003 3:23 PM | | That was the first time I rode that climb so I have no idea what fast is. I have no idea how long it took me -- I was in no hurry at all. I didn't care for the climb (too hot & boring), but I really enjoyed the lower portion of Big Boulder and 2nd Divide. Mark is a strong rider though so I'm sure I wouldn't be able to keep up with him when he's on a lighter bike. No chance in hell I would even be in the same zipcode on the downhills! |
| Honestly? | Zonic Man
Jul 11, 2003 3:45 PM | | I don't think you could stay in the same zipcode as him on the climbs with a downhill bike, either.
That Dare had a road cassette on the rear (12-27) and a 38t front chainring.
Oh yeah, and that week prior to that ride, mark did 300 dirt miles and 10,000' of climbing.
Wow. He's sick. What a rammer. |
| I'm pretty sure I would do fine on the climbs | B R H
Jul 11, 2003 11:04 PM | | with him on the big bike. Put him on a bike as light as mine and he'd drop me no doubt. He's definitely an impressive rider. Had I known he was a pro from the start I would have tried to keep up on the climb just to see. :)
Anyway, my only point in bringing this up from the start was that I don't think the fact that the WTB team used the MutanoRaptor tires had much to do with their performance at Laguna Seca after seeing Mark ride. |
| I've had 1 tire burp with Stan's... | B R H
Jul 11, 2003 1:10 PM | | and it was a 2.1 Mythos up front that took a very sharp hit with all my weight on front into a deep hidden pothole. This was just after I had started using Stan's stuff, so I may have had the pressure too low, not enough sealant, or who knows what. I don't recall that I ever determined why this happened. I actually finished the ride (a few more miles) and only noticed that the front tire was a bit soft. The ground was soft too otherwise I would have more readily noticed it had lost fully half of it's air and I would have added some!
Other than that, I have not had any other tire burps using Stan's on Mavic 317s. The WTB tires seem to fit very tightly and have a tough bead. The Python doesn't fit as tightly, but I've had no problems with it at all. I have less time on the Python (maybe 3 months and somewhere around 500 miles... too hot for me to ride much lately). By far the loosest fitting tires I have tried with Stan's and the 317s are the Continentals (Explorer, Explorer Supersonic, and Twister Supersonic. These tires literally fall off my rims when deflated!
Perhaps the Velocity rims are slighter smaller in diameter? I thought Mavic 317s were generally considered small though too. Be sure to get the rimstrip centered well. I wet the entire rimstrip with sealant before installing the strip. This makes centering it very easy. The rimstrips seem to be too wide for the 317s, but perhaps that is part of why I haven't experienced much of this burping stuff. When I install a tire, I air it up to no more than 35 psi, toss it around a bit (like in the video plus bear my weight on it), and generally try to resist riding it until the next day.
If you try the MutanoRaptor 2.4, be sure to run low pressure. You'll be surprised how much difference a few psi makes with this tire. It gets scary fast at higher pressures but also washes out very easily on anything loose. I haven't tried a MutanoRaptor on the rear yet, but my guess is it won't offer the generally good all around traction of the Python. The conditions around here vary substantially within an hour in any direction (not far from Tahoe), so this tire combination is a good compromise that works well for me. |
| ive been running 2.4 moto's flawlessly | sdbullock
Jul 11, 2003 10:27 AM | | Sweet tires, and surprisingly light, esp when tubeless. Mine have the laser and inner peace sidewalls, so stand up to amazing amounts of abuse with no air loss. Grip is phenomenal. Mine are NOT the DH/Northshore models, which are crazy heavy. I wouldnt go that route. |
| Not too bad, not too bad.... | Zonic Man
Jul 11, 2003 2:36 PM | | They work great as long as you aren't too hard on them; e.g. they didn't hold up at downieville.
I'm running a UST 2.14 mutano on the rear because it is a bit beefier. |
| I just noticed that mine has 4 torn/missing knobbies. | B R H
Jul 11, 2003 10:56 PM | | Those are new, so it must have happened on some of the more rocky sections at Downieville. Those were worse than most rocks in the Auburn area though so I'm still happy with how they've held up. They Python held up great though surprisingly and it has a patch from a prior rock slice! |
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