|   Pics of my 2004 Truth and some parts pre build.... | Trevor!
Oct 16, 2003 12:09 AM | | Well I got my digital camera back after sony decided to waranty some defects with it. For some reason the camera image quality is a little poor. I may need to send it back..
Anyhow here are some pictures of the frame, fork, cranks, etc. I will build on monday but wont really get to finish it all till near the end of week when I get my SLR and tires. I have exams too :(
I apologize for the poor quality.
18" 2004 Ellsworth Truth (5.5Lbs) with 1660g uncut 2004 Fox F100X
Some assorted detail shots
Lovely attention to detail on the frame construction.
Chris King ISO/Velocity VXC wheelset 1630g
I had originally chosen to go X3.1/Sapim/King but I was on a tight budget and also I have been using tubes for 6 months now happily. I will be giving the Eclipse system a go. VXC rims are tough and Aussie made. Big Kudos to larry ( http://www.mtnhighcyclery.com ) for building a great wheelset and selling me XT/XTR disks and a few other items at a great price.
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Cranks et al
Got my full drivetrain from Dirt-Boy. ( http://sales.light-bikes.com ) I got everything a super good price, which allowed me to get things I didn't think I could afford. He sent me the new 2004 FSA XC115 stem which is a sweet 132g at 120mm length with 6 degree rise.
Got the cranks, for low price, cheap replacement of rings, and BB choice. I chose Octalink because it works and lasts.
A few grams over spec weight. 579g or something.
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Being dying to get my hands on a pair of these. 218g
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Cant wait to try this stuff. 211g
Hope you all enjoyed... Sorry for all the pics...
Final build will be 23.9 pounds confirmed weight so a little over 24Lbs finished! Happy with that. I aimed for 23.5Lbs but some parts came in heavier than advertised...
Cheers
Trevor! |
| Bling. | Feideaux
Oct 16, 2003 12:22 AM | | ...is all I can say.
This looks like a sweet project with quite a creative drivetrain. Sweet colour coordination of hubs, headset and shocks too. That AVA Float looks the business!! This will be one sweet ride. Those egg's are very tempting...
Good timing as well, our trails have dried out in the fine weather.
You'll be a busy bee after exams I bet!!
F. |
| Bling, Bling, Bling... | Feideaux
Oct 16, 2003 12:23 AM | | ...is the sound this bike will make.
This looks like a sweet project with quite a creative drivetrain. Sweet colour coordination of hubs, headset and shocks too. That AVA Float looks the business!! This will be one sweet ride. Those egg's are very tempting...
Good timing as well, our trails have dried out in the fine weather.
You'll be a busy bee after exams I bet!!
F. |
| Very, very nice indeed... | malcolm
Oct 16, 2003 12:40 AM | | Also love that blue theme.
Are those what looks like carbon shock spacers?
Seems a shame to take it out on the trail as looks sooo nice.
Your spec is spot on.
Sweet indeed.
Wel done Trev.
Malc. |
| Cheers Malcolm. | Trevor!
Oct 16, 2003 12:56 AM | | Yep Carbon spacers, cool huh? I wonder if they will wear any quicker than normal spacers can.. Perhaps, perhaps not.
The blue theme, was actually a little bit of a surprise to me. I choose the Hubs in Turquoise, as I don't ever recall seeing them on MTBR, and when they arrived the color was even better than I expected, happening to basically match the fork and Ellsworth Head badge.
There is a company called Dreambikes.com that was my insparation a year ago when I say Truth Builds that featured sweet colour combos.
Trevor. |
| Cheers thanks, oh and regarding the drivetrain... | Trevor!
Oct 16, 2003 12:43 AM | | I am very excited to try sram out. Everyone claims its shifts alot better. I chose the cranks due to the cost of replacing rings ($110 or so for the 3) versus the horrific price for replacing XTR rings ($500 or so). Also the price of the Cranks was too good to beat.
The hydraulics are cool too. I look forward to setting them up. I will have the same lever set as you with the XTR calipers. It was interesting to see I got 2 pairs of pads per end, and also that both calipers weighed below 90g each without fluid, bolts, pads.
It will be 25 this Saturday which is nice, so I will see you at our morning ride. I will make effort to ride from home. It will be my last big ride on the NRS. The following week the Truth (if it is dry) will make it's first maiden epic.
Ciao Trevor... |
| Thanks Feid', oh and re the drivetrain | Trevor!
Oct 16, 2003 12:53 AM | | I am very excited to try sram out. Everyone claims its shifts alot better. I chose the cranks due to the cost of replacing rings ($110 or so for the 3) versus the horrific price for replacing XTR rings ($500 or so). Also the price of the Cranks was too good to beat.
The hydraulics are cool too. I look forward to setting them up. I will have the same lever set as you with the XTR calipers. It was interesting to see I got 2 pairs of pads per end, and also that both calipers weighed below 90g each without fluid, bolts, pads.
It will be 25 this Saturday which is nice, so I will see you at our morning ride. I will make effort to ride from home. It will be my last big ride on the NRS. The following week the Truth (if it is dry) will make it's first maiden epic.
Ciao Trevor... |
| Looks nice... | Tad
Oct 16, 2003 2:21 AM | | You got the wheels built and shipped over from the US, not to mention most (all?) other parts. Nobody in Australia can build a set of wheels that good?? No bike shops that sell cheaply?? Great to see some Aussie rims, but..
Just curious and incredulous... |
| Looks nice... | Trevor!
Oct 16, 2003 2:38 AM | | Drivetrain, Wheels, Headset and Disks from the US yes indeed.
Frame and fork, Seatpost, Handlebars etc from Australia.
Tubeless system from Switzerland too.
You can get brilliant wheelsets built in Australia, but the prices are just too high for King. LBS can do great deals, but they can also charge too much sometimes. 100% markup for alot of things. I am interesting in getting a bargain you see. |
| Prices here are astronomical... | Feideaux
Oct 16, 2003 2:00 PM | | ...I tell you. Here are some specials that I found.
Wheels
Model: DT Pure "Double Platinum" series. Spec: DT Swiss 240s disc hubs (28 hole), DT Swiss XR-4.1d rims, ProLock alloy nipples, Ti-MMC (gold) spokes. Weight: 1515g. RRP: $1399
Fox Forx 100RL, around $1200
A set of Hugi 240s will set you back $700, and that's with a discount.
SRAM 9.0 cassette for $170 (these are off a web retailers site in Aus).
Complete bike prices are easily worked out. When we see the US price, all we have to do is double it. And don't even mention Road Bikes. I have a mate with an Eddy Mercx (?) SL with full Record; around the $12000 mark, probably more with all the candy he's draped on it.
You get the idea. I've found that it is cheaper to buy from the US and the UK, even with our lamentably feeble exchange rate (Aus 69c to US$1.00, or similar). The prices in other countries appear to start at a lower point.
F. |
| Serious Bike Envy | MWWH
Oct 16, 2003 2:32 AM | | Ahhh that hurts just to look at. Use the force Trevor... |
| That will be a sweet ride..VXC rims have... | G-Live
Oct 16, 2003 5:40 AM | | worked great for me with Stan's. My wheelset is pretty close to yours except with Hayes Superlight hubs instead of Kings...all black. Just finished replacing an 01 Sugar frame with an 03 Sugar plus frame.
Proudly wear my Clarence St Cycles (Sydney) City Bikes (Melbourne) and Windsor Cycles (Windsor) Jerseys often!
Cheers Mate
Greg (Live in Wisconsin) |
| Wow Trev !! | farmer rick
Oct 16, 2003 1:51 PM | | serious lust factor there, mate !!
Amazingly impressive build.
I'm really curious, (ok, just plain nosey, you can tell me to f#*k off and mind my own business ;-)) did you cop any duties bringing all that stuff in ? or just GST ? and how much has it all cost ? Of course if there are some special deals there that can't be revealed, we'll all understand.
When I built up my C.K. DiscGoTech hubs (the ISO hubs were announced the day I received my hubs after being on backorder for 9 months) C-X Ray's, Mavic X 317's, I think the total build cost @ A$1100, which, considering the exchange rate at the time (approx A$1.00 = US$0.52) was pretty good. Oh, and all parts came through the Australian importers and the LBS.
Of course you have picked the right time to import stuff.
Anyway, well done, it looks most impressive, just be prepared for people to say "...mate, I think there's something wrong with your back hub, it's making a horrible weird noise..." :-)
rick |
| georgeous! | thejuru
Oct 16, 2003 5:20 PM | | man, what a great looking ride! i can't find on the chris king website the disc go tech hubs although i have seen people write about them on this site a few times......what is the difference in those and the regular iso disc hubs from ck??? |
| The DiscGoTech hub came about...... | farmer rick
Oct 16, 2003 6:12 PM | | as CK's answer to the myriad disc bolt patterns that sprung up before some sort of standard was settled on.
You'll probably find that they still make it, as it enables you to use old brakes such as Coda (Cannondale 4 bolt), Amp (3 bolt ??), etc by using a beautifully engineered adaptor that bolts on to the hub.
The newer ISO hub is to the 6 bolt standard that predominates now.
It is lighter than an average DiscGoTech hub, with taller flanges, using the same axles, bearings and ring drive, so overall it would build a lighter, slightly stronger wheel.
CK provide an up grade service for DiscGoTech users to the newer shell, but not likely in my case where the spokes cost so bloody much to replace ! |
| Only too happy to share the information. | Trevor!
Oct 16, 2003 7:17 PM | | For me the rate was usually using visa card around $1AUD = 65 or 66USD.
Import duties on bikes usually work by taxing you twice. 10pc tax on value then 5 pc on the value of the new taxed value and then that new total again is taxed GST. Apparently.
Luckily, I didn't pay a single cent GST. Stuff arrived within 3-4 of shipment, and looking at the tracking service it spent the least amount of time in customs. Each box that arrived had the respective amount declared on it. It seems you need to have values above the $400 mark to attract duties. I may be just lucky but in all my experience I paid no duties.
Some rational behind not getting taxed is the fact that they are bare parts, that is not built up items. I don't think a wheel will attract tax but a Bike will.
FWIW, I would never ship a whole bike in though as it will indeed attract duty.
Anyway, well done, it looks most impressive, just be prepared for people to say "...mate, I think there's something wrong with your back hub, it's making a horrible weird noise..." :-)
The LBS near me took a look at the wheels as King isn't common and I noticed a look of "Poor kid, got ripped of with a bad hub"... I just smiled!
Trevor! |
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