|   Here the Setup so far....anybody have any suggestions? | OrBust
Dec 18, 2001 11:10 PM | | Heres what ill be building my bike up with...im open for suggestions if anybody has any....
PX zebdi
Orange forks
bars-azonic risers,
stem-titec, about a 100mm
headset-wtb momentum, want king but couldnt afford it
front rim-mavic 517
front hub-tektro, 130 gram
front brake-avid SD7 with PX sticky pads
front tire-geax sedona 2.0
cranks-LX
pedals-atomic trail pimp
rear rim-mavic 521
rear hub-king discotech with steel freehub(have the hub already)
rear brake-avid SD7 with PX sticky pads
rear tire-geax sedona 2.25
What I need help on:
front and rear skewers??
seat post and seat??
tubes??
brake pads??
brake boosters??
bashring....fairly light??
I found some road bike skewers for $15, titanium and only 90g a pair...would those work?
And I need to do something about my seat, I would like to run a really small seat...what works for my bike? I guess I could run a uni, but I would need a 'reducer' so it will fit the zebdi. Where could I get one of these?
Thanks in advance if anybody has any input.... |
| All your answers! | AndyT
Dec 19, 2001 10:32 AM | | In terms of what you already have- ditch the LX cranks!! They are noodles. If money is a concern get some cheapo FSA power pro cranks- I've been running them for a year at the expert level and they are super stiff for how much they are. They creak a little but that is because of the bottom bracket I have. Also, ditch the expensive pedals (arent those like $80?) and get something more economical- sun ringles are only 30 and the planet x clingons are sick and I beleive 40 at www.webcyclery.com . In terms of skewers there is only 2 ways to go- Salsa mtb skewers or XT skewers. I love XT skewers, but salsas come in lots of colors. DO NOT GET TI SKEWERS...ever! For a rear seat/seatpost combo I would get a thompson seat post (real light and strong) and an SDG kevlar seat- they are super nice. For comps and stuff you should have a backup uni seat that you can throw on there. I haven't heard much about those P-x Pads- but I do know that the plaz pads work wonders so I would suggest getting those. Bashring- One of the best ones out there is the threshold 1/2" one. Tubes? Anything you got. Booster- salsa makes a good v-brake booster, you really only need a booster in the rear. May I suggest building up that front hub with an xt-disc hub? This way in the future if you want to go disc in the front (which is SOOO nice) you can just get the disc and put it on there- it will save you money in the long run. Hope I've helped!
-Andrew |
| I almost agree | Optikal
Dec 19, 2001 12:23 PM | | I agree with everything except the XT disk hub. Those things are heavy!! Try a Hayes, Hugi, or Onyx hub, not only are they sealed bearing, but they're a lot lighter.
I think a ti skewer on the front would be fine.... |
| naked celebrities! | dingus1
Dec 19, 2001 12:30 PM | | Yeah Yeah except the XT disc hub bit, they are too dman heavy- like 354 grams or something. There are options that can save money and easily a hundred grams.
VP pedals too are light and cheap @ trialsin USA.
Stephen @ biketrials.com gave a very favorable review to
Middleburn rs-7- kinda looks like a serious competition crank. Heres the review:
This crankset is made in Great Britain, and has a lifetime warranty, even for trials use! The bashring, which is wide (1/2") and beefy, is also the spider, which the included 20 tooth chainring bolts onto direclty. The crankset is also available with a normal 58/94 spider setup. The cranks themselves, which I got in 170 mm, are absolutely beautiful. After putting them on my Brisa B26, I noticed an increase in stiffness over my FSA Afterburners, especially laterally (side to side). I like the low-profile bashring, which protects the chain only as much as necessary. The bashring has a knurled surface, which works fine, and is friendly to concrete. The pair, with bashring and ring, weighs in at a feather-light (for trials, at least!) 24 ounces, which is about the same as the notoriously light FSA Afterburners with a Threshold bashring. Rumor has it that the new Brisa rider, and million time US National Champion (or was it just 10-time?), JJ Gregorowicz is riding these and loves them... I couldn't blame him, I love 'em, too! Anyone wanna buy my Afterburners? |
| Some suggestions | Fabulous
Dec 19, 2001 1:07 PM | | For my seat/seatpost combo, I run a Selle San Marco Concor Light saddle (<200g for <$30 from webcyclery) with a Kalloy Seraph seatpost. The seatpost is kind of an unknown item, but it's slightly lighter than a Thompson and has a 2-bolt adjustable clamp. Mine has been great for me.
I run LX skewers and think they're the nutz. I don't really see any reason to ever change.
Steer clear of the Sedona in the back. It's light, but you pay for it with a decrease in sidewall strength. I've heard of people having to put 45 PSI into that tire to keep from pinching. Look into the IRC El Gato if you like the rust colored sidewalls, or else you'll get about the same performance out of a WTB Moto Raptor. For tubes, I run cheapo Kenda 1.95-2.1 tubes front and rear. If you have some money get a superlight tube for the front. Try this trick with the back tire: Go to the hardware store and buy about 14 feet of that dark brown foam plumbing insulation that fits around pipes. Cut a piece just long enough to wrap around the inside of your rear tire, then duct tape it so it forms a loop, and install it between the tube and tire. Pump up the tube, leave it over night, and when you come back in the morning the foam will have compressed to about 3mm thick. Then repeat the process so you end up with two layers of foam. I do this and I never, ever pinch flat, and I bottom out my rim all the time.
Make sure to get a bit of a rise on your stem, like 10-20 degrees. It makes a huge difference.
I run an Avid SD7 in the back of my Zebdi without a booster, and I have no complaints. Save money on the booster and buy a teflon tandem brake cable, because they're about 15% thicker than a regular brake cable, and they hardly stretch at all. You'll need to run full length housing to your rear brake so make sure you get teflon cables and housing.
I agree that you should throw some dough into a disc hub for the front. I just put an Avid mechanical on the front of my ride and it's a constant source of joy to me.
I also agree about skipping the LX cranks. Go for something strong or you will bend it. I just bent a pair of Turbine LP's, and I won't make that mistake twice.
I just got a Planet X bashring and love it. Get something that matches your terrain- smoother for urban/rock, toothier for woody surroundings. Don't get the Threshold one sold at Trialsin.com that's 1/2" thick- I just cracked mine after 3 months. It's far too skimpy for any serious abuse.
Hope this helps-
Nick |
| Repy to replies :) | AndyT
Dec 19, 2001 6:33 PM | | I just said the XT disc hub because it is really cheap- I got an xt rear disc for my 'freeride' bike brand new for $24. I run hope hubs on my trials bike and love them to pieces- 1 year of abuse and it has never skipped on me (I have never cleaned it either)- feels like it has since day 1! To reply to the bashring comment, that sucks that you broke yours! I've been banging on mine for almost a year and it has shown no sign of weakness. Then again I am fairly small- only 140 pounds, but I do abuse it (just thrashed it trying to go up a 48" wall for 2 hours, only made it twice!). Those middleburns are super sweet but where do you buy them? Check out those other canadian cranks on www.trialsin.com, I beleive their name starts with B and they look super sweet. I still think you should get LX or XT skewers- I was once a XC junkie and went weight weenie on my bike and got some kore TI skewers for my bike and they sucked hardcore- always squeaking and twisting...just imagine how they would be on a trials bike! |
| Repy to replies :) | Optikal
Dec 19, 2001 7:17 PM | | The other cranks you are thinking of are Bike Bonz
A couple of my friends ride them, and that is my choice for some new cranks.
The Middleburns you'd probably have to get from UK online sales. |
| re: Here the Setup so far....anybody have any suggestions? | Regder
Dec 20, 2001 9:22 PM | | just to clear up a few points. The LX splined hollowtech cranks are very stiff and pretty light, super cheap too. Only problem is that the spider loosens (damn press fit, they should have stuck with the replaceable spiders), if you bash on it constantly (and I mean really hard over a long period of time). If you want something more expensive, XTR cranks are very sweet and kinda cheap. I've seen just the crank arms go for as low as $60 on Ebay brand new. Pick up an aftermarket bashring/spider like the Leeson and you are set. The Bonz cranks aren't too favourable in my eyes, way too much money for way too little. They are cranks after all and we are trials riders. We bash our cranks constantly and there really isn't much sence in spending a lot of money on nice cranks that will get scratched and beat to hell. Further they aren't even splined, in this day and age I wouldn't even consider buying a new crankset if it wasn't splined. Splined just has way too many advantages to be ignored. The XTR setup at half the price is easily the better choice.
Ok, getting past that...
get cheap pedals, no point in expensive ones for the same reason as mentioned above. The sedona has far too thin a sidewall to be a reasonable option, get one of the more common rear tires. I've seen cheap bolt on sqewers around that are really light, definitely the way to go, those roadie sqewers sound not bad too. As for the seatpost and seat, hop into your local shop and scrounge through their bin of $10 seats for a Selle Italia Flite replica (I have a Selle Italia Nitrox, same thing). Mine weighs around 220gr from what I can remember and does it's job just fine, no need to go fancy. Same for the seatpost, get a light one with a low head and chop it down to an inch or two. The Salsa or Liken boosters are reasonable cheap and reportedly work alright. Threshold half inch bashring is really sweet, wish I had one. The Planet X bashring looks alright, I have one sitting on my desk but it won't fit my cranks (I need a cutout for the back section).
Oh and you probably won't need a reducer for the zebdi to run a uni, should work fine as is. |
| cutout your bashring? | Surfboard921
Dec 22, 2001 9:30 AM | | Is it because your bashring is too near the frame and touches it when installed? if so, I suggest you simply add a small spacer between your frame and your B/B(same place where an MRP fits), that will move your bashring a lit to the right, so the ring won't touch the frame and you won't have to cutout your bashring. I did that on my buddy's B26 and now it works fine. It might add a very small amout of weight tho. |
| cutout your bashring? | Regder
Dec 23, 2001 12:18 AM | | I have a bit of material extended at the back of my crank arm towards the spider, hindering the installation of most bashrings. The Race Face Northshore's are notorious for it. Most people cut either a section out of the bashring to allow it to slide on, or slice their bashring into a C. I just haven't gotten around to doing it.
You'll notice a lot of companies now implementing a small cutout to allot the required room for such cranks (Gravity Check and a few notable others) |
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