|   Odd Lacing. | Edoc
Dec 2, 2002 1:08 PM | | I have a 32H rear wheel with a Mavic x3.1 rim and have recently brought it to be dished at a local shop. The shop doesn't want to touch it since they haven't seen this lacing pattern before. The pattern when looking at the rim goes 2 drive-side, 2 non-drive-side, 2 drive-side, and so on. I had the wheel built by a shop a few months ago in another state. Has anyone seen this lacing before? And is it alright, or was it laced wrong?
Regards,
-Edoc |
| Somebody screwed up! | shiggy
Dec 2, 2002 2:55 PM | | It should alternate drive/non-drive.
The only exception I have seen is where there are 1/3 of the spokes on the non-drive and 2/3 drive side then the pattern is drive-drive-non-drive-drive-non. |
| Ah, the exotic "mono borracho" lacing.... | Bianchi4Me
Dec 2, 2002 6:43 PM | | Thanks to my Mrs. for the Spanish translation. "Honey, how do you say 'drunken monkey' in Spanish...?"
Alas, methinks they goofed.
Snif...snif...do you smell a rebuild? I sure do. |
| what about chango? | sal bass
Dec 3, 2002 9:09 AM | | i thought a monkey was a chango? well....unless you meant it in Castillian.
sana sana patita de rana! |
| Larry the Cucumber: "como matequilla sobre un chango pelon" | Bianchi4Me
Dec 4, 2002 8:41 AM | | Larry the cucumber agrees with "chango" in his Veggie Tales video, but the animator's wife is from South America. The Barcelona folks all say "mono". I think it's a Spain/South America split in the language. Like the States versus the Brits with "tire/tyre" "trunk/boot" "hood/bonnet", etc.? |
| maNtequilla.... | Bianchi4Me
Dec 4, 2002 8:44 AM | | Shoot, and that's one of the handful words I acutally know by heart, sigh... |
| Larry the Cucumber: "como matequilla sobre un chango pelon" | sal bass
Dec 4, 2002 9:51 AM | | ahhhh yes...South America....where in some places, Papaya is slang for peni$. |
| Mas de monos.............. | quaffimodo
Dec 5, 2002 11:29 AM | | One of my all-time favorite modismos from Ecuador:
Aunque el mono se veste de seda, mono se queda. Maybe the original builder was wearing a silk apron........
As for papaya, right context, wrong gender. ¿Quisas estaba pensando de "pepino?" |
| Tell me more! | NCN
Dec 3, 2002 5:01 AM | | Have you seen any instructions for the 1/3 2/3 lacing? I may be doing a set of (gasp) road wheels this winter and it sounds like it might be just the thing.
NCN |
| Dave's Speed Dream Wheels | shiggy
Dec 3, 2002 8:27 AM | | http://www.speeddream.com
You will have to poke around a bit. Not sure if he still does it much. |
| I think Cloxxki uses a set like that. nm | clary.
Dec 3, 2002 11:55 AM | | |
| I sure do! | Cloxxki
Dec 5, 2002 12:16 PM | | red rear Chris King non/disc hub, 24h drive, 12h non/drive. Originally build with 24 Marwi 1.7-1.4-1.7 (I believe) , and 12 Sapim Laser spokes. Now rebuilt (after hanging derailer in spokes due to excessive mud) with 36 DT Rev's (or the wheelbuilder could have kept the 12 Lasers, would have to check. This wheel is STRONG, yet light. Originally 803g, with a Bontrager Valiant "front" rim.
With a 36h hub and 36h rim, one could skip 9 of the non/drive spokes and save some 40/50g. 27 spokes, with 18 on the drive-side, is probably somewhere in between a 28h and 32h normal lacing pattern in terms of performance. |
| Hi-E 30H rear high/low flange hubs... | DeeEight
Dec 7, 2002 4:02 AM | | with 20 drive side holes and 10 non-drive, laced radial non-drive
and and I believe its 3X drive side. Advantage is you have 10 pulling
spokes to transmit torque instead of 8 as with a 32 hole hub, and 2 fewer
spokes overall. |
| Campagnolo builds Eurus that way | Seb
Dec 5, 2002 9:25 AM | | Campanolo does it on the Eurus (pictured below), and maybe other wheels too.
Obviously it only makes sense for wheels with a substantial dish, because the whole point is to use fewer spokes on the side that would normally have lower tension. The front Eurus wheel is a normal radial lacing.
The Campy wheels are designed more along the lines of a paired spoke wheel, but you could throretically build any wheel that way. A normal hub will support the pattern, as all you are really building is a half-radial rear that is missing half the NDS spokes. This obviously requires a stiff rim. I got away with doing something similar using a 36 hole Velocity Deep V. I doubt I saved any weight, it just looks cool and is maybe makes my ride a tiny bit more aero.
If you had a propperly drilled rim, a normal hub would even work with the "Campy pattern" of clustered spoke triplets, and even some paired spoke patternes, though calculating spoke lengths would require special effort. Clustered spokes (pairs or triplets) don't require quite as stiff (heavy) a rim as simply leaving spoke holes empty in a normal rim does, and the results are posibally more aero, not to mention looking more "proffesional".
Camopagnolo Eurus rear: |
| so does the army - invented by Major Error | CK2
Dec 6, 2002 7:23 PM | | |
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